Count My Many Blessings…

April 9, 2019

I believe I have been instructed to list the many things the Lord has done for me.

First and foremost, Jesus died on the cross for me. But not just me, for all of us, and yes specifically for me, and each of you!

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf.

An early memory, probably around kindergarten, I was rock climbing with my dad. I remember we were walking on a narrow ledge above a very steep cliff over a strong river rapids, (my dad tells me that it wasn’t a complete drop off, there was some slope, my memory of it is almost as a drop-off). I slipped and slid down the steep slope. As I fell, my hands went up, and as they did, I grabbed a small branch or stem of a bush or tree as I fell by it. I held on to it with both hands. My dad reached down and grabbed me just as the branch snapped. I remember looking down to see the branch fall down to the river.

Many years later as a young adult, I left the Air Force to become a Catholic monk.

When I got out of the military, I stayed with my dad and stepmom, until I found a monastery. One day while there, i got extremely sick, something was wrong with my stomach. Stomach aches had always been the worst pains in my life.  After 2 days and nights, the pain became unbearable. On the 2nd night of no sleep, I decided to pray for help.

I prayed something like this:

“Dear God, please help me, this pain is so bad I would rather die. Please take this pain away. I will do anything you want, if you take away this pain. Lord, I prefer death, over this pain, if healing is not available.”

Please understand, I had never heard of healing, never seen it either. In short, I cried out to God in pain, not faith, but with hope, and in earnestness.

Praise God for God! He heard me! After praying, I felt led to go read a Catholic Church bulletin that was sitting in my room. I rarely, if ever, had read those things, and usually they would get tossed in the garbage.

In it, it said, something to the effect of: Catholic Charismatic Conference, place —-, time —-, and so on.

Please understand, I had never ever, heard of the Charismatic movement except once, while in the military, at a Catholic Prayer group or study, someone mentioned that there was a Charismatic Prayer group in town. I simply asked “what is that?” And I was told that they prayed strongly or differently or something like that. This was the only knowledge I had of the charismatic movement

Anyway, I prayed to God, “If you want me to go to this; if it is your will, I will go. Please, just take away the pain.”

Within a few minutes. The pain was gone.

That Friday night, I went to the conference. There, I saw some acquaintances of a friend of mine. My friend had been trying to get me to renounce Catholicism, and introduced me to these folks.

At the conference, I met up with the man whose acquaintance I had met. He decided to take some conference classes with me. One class we went to, was called: The Gifts of the Holy Spirit. Or something like that.

In this class, the teacher read a bunch of scriptures that seemed gibberish to me. He just read a list of verses without explaining them. None of them in any way enlightened me, or explained what was going on. I don’t remember any of them. After this, he asked for the raising of hands of those who wanted the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I raised my hand, and then left it up for a question, which was, “What is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?”. He answered with, “It’s when you ask the Holy Spirit to be in your life.”.

Now, I had been taught as a Catholic, that you received the Holy Spirit at confirmation. (Remember, this IS a Catholic Charismatic Conference.) So when he gathered the dozen or so who raised their hands to receive this, I declined.

He then asked the rest of us, “How many of you, who have the Holy Spirit, would like a gift of the Holy Spirit.” I raised my hands with about a dozen others. They all wanted the gift of tongues. I asked for the gift of prophecy, because I had enjoyed reading about the Old Testament prophets. Please note, I had no inkling what was going on, I had never seen any of these gifts in operation, had no clue if prophecy was available, in fact if asked, I would have said it wasn’t on the earth anymore. Although I had no direct teaching saying either way. I was just being earnest in my limited faith. The prophets in the Bible had always fascinated me, and so that was the only gift that popped into my mind.

Now, I had never heard of tongues, nor had heard them. Only from Lutheran Sunday School; that at the time of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit came upon the apostles and tongues of fire were on their heads, and then foreign people heard them speak in their native languages. That was the only incident of tongues I had ever knew of. No one had ever shown me other tongues in the Bible, nor had anyone ever told me about them.

Needless to say, I had no idea what these dozen or so people wanted, nor what it meant. I was the only one to ask for something different, the gift of prophecy. Did I think it possible? I did not consider it possible or not. I was simply honestly answering the questions with the situation put before me, trying to obey and find what God had for me.

The teacher then took us aside, into another corner. Then he asked the remaining people to pray for these 2 groups when the time came. One group wanted the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, the other group, which I was in, wanted a gift of the Holy Spirit. Of which everyone asked for tongues except me.

He then proceeded to give a small instruction in the receiving of tongues. He said he would pray for us and lay his hands on us. He then instructed us saying: that after he would lay hands on us, we may feel in our spirit the Holy Spirit moving and we would need to open our mouth and speak as the Holy Spirit would guide or lead us to.

After this, having finished instructing us, and being moved by God, he came straight to me, purposefully, and laid hands on me. Upon doing so, enormous amounts of power and energy came through him into me. He said to me, “Let it out, let it out.” I opened my mouth, and let this power within me, manifest in language through my voice. I began to shout in an unknown language, the power in my body was enormous. After a minute or so, he proceeded to pray for others. I, on the other hand, was completely baffled by what was happening within me. In a couple minutes, I toned down my volume, but it was difficult, due to the enormous energy in me, and the lack of spiritual discipline, and in ignorance of the situation. I continued to speak in other tongues, but wondered in English, “What is this, how can I be thinking in English, trying to understand what this power is and yet be speaking in another language.” (The answer is found in 1 Corinthians 14:14). At the time I did not understand. When he was done praying for everyone, I could only see 1 person who may have been speaking in tongues besides me. This person appeared mentally or possibly verbally handicapped. So I was uncertain to their true state.

The teacher, told me to go home and practice tongues. I did not learn what happened to me, nor did I understand, nor was I taught. Today, however, I can tell you, I was baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Well, I went home that day. At home, I could not utter another phrase in tongues, no matter how hard I tried. Somehow, it just couldn’t or wouldn’t manifest. I began my preparations for my trip to Colorado to the monastery.

I arrived at the monastery and I loved it. It was everything I thought, I was looking for. It was very ascetic. Well, everything seemed wonderful, and I was nearly convinced that this would be my life. But, I wanted to pray and ask God for final confirmation for His will in my life. I wanted obedience to Him above all else, in my life.

I decided to do this at the top of a mountain. So I began my climb up a mountain to pray. About halfway up, I experienced something utterly fantastic and unknown to me. It was the presence of God ( I am not talking about sacraments).

As a Lutheran and Catholic, I had believed that the presence of God could not be felt on the Earth anymore. I cannot say if this was taught to me, or if it was implied, or if I was in error through ignorance. Nonetheless, I was COMPLETELY surprised. You must understand all my thinking and observing this Presence, and the surprise happened very quickly. My years of religious training and experience, whether accurate or not, had not prepared me for this. A lot went through my mind at this time. It was not like the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, nor like the manifestation of tongues. Yes, there was power, but not a channeled power to be manifested in some gift. It was God Himself present. Not visually, neither was He present to my natural ears. I could not sense Him with eyes or ears, nor with smell or taste. But I sensed Him with touch. I did not bump into Him. I felt a tangible presence in a force. I cannot explain God’s presence to those who have never experienced it. It is incomprehensible. It’s like walking into a living wall of light, without seeing it. This is figurative, I felt no “wall” or obstruction, I felt a PRESENCE. The PRESENCE was immense, unmeasurably immense. I felt drawn to the PRESENCE, it was drawing me quietly and respectfully of my will. But drawing me nonetheless. It had the “air” of solving all my questions to the direction of my life. This “it” and “PRESENCE” was God. When it is experienced, it is understood completely, unless one chooses to lie to himself and denounce God in His face.

Anyway, I was dumbfounded. I was unprepared. I could sense His presence was emanating from further up the mountain, somewhere near the top, but I was only halfway there. The only thing I could think of to do, that seemed appropriate, was to take off my shoes and socks and continue on barefoot. This is what Moses was commanded to do by God when he met God on a mountain.

Onward I went, barefoot until near the top, I fell on my knees when I reached the peak of the presence of God. There, I learned that God did not want me to be a monk, that He wanted me to move to a specific city in Wisconsin (here unnamed). I left the mountain speaking and singing in tongues. I have been able to pray in tongues, at will, ever since.

A few months after this incident God called me to go to a specific Bible school but I was too intimated to tell my new christian friends. So didn’t listen to God’s will. In stead I sinned and decided to rejoin the military. But this time the Navy. God tried to stop me, the Air Force was very limited in their recruitment and had no positions in my field, so I went to the Navy. Now I was in real disobedience, for God had tried to stop me by making the Air Force unavailable.

Before, swearing into the Navy, I went back to Wisconsin. While in Wisconsin, I came to my senses and realized I was in sin. I decided to not go in. However, the recruiters kept giving me a hard time. They faked a phone call from a high ranking officer and said I would go to jail if I didn’t go. I became intimidated by them, and by one of my parents, and through the advice of a pastor, whom said that I shouldn’t have any skeletons in my closet. So I decided to go.

But then, I did go and swear in. I hoped to get out quickly, because I knew that you could leave the military in the first 180 days without any penalty, except perhaps bad words tossed at you.

I was persuaded to “rough it out”, to wait and see. How foolish I was, because, while there, the instructors knew about the 180 day discharge, but by then I had given in.

I continued to study the Bible and listened to Bible teachings that taught me God’s ways. I was stationed on an aircraft carrier in Japan. It was this next voyage that I became determined to leave the Navy.

It was during this cruise that I made known to my superiors that I wanted out. They however, were ignorant of the 180 day discharge or lied about it. They gave me the freedom to find it in their books. I could not find it though, and they mocked me continually. When we finished that cruise. I stayed in Japan about a month. It was the following cruise that became utter torture for me.

We left on a cruise that lasted 30 days without stopping at any port. The immorality on the ship became terrible. I soon spent almost all my time doing just the basics. The relief I found was in listening to the Bible on tape or Christian music while I fell asleep. I soon became ill. I believed that I was dying because of my disobedience to God.

I went to see the ship doctor and he found that I was dehydrated. He said that I needed to drink 8 glasses a water a day. I told him that I had been drinking about 4. He said, that although 4 was not enough for me, but that it would not have caused dehydration. He was greatly troubled and astonished that I would be so dehydrated when I had been drinking 4 glasses of water a day. They had to intravenously feed me almost 2 quarts of water.

When we finally got to port, I was so relieved. They began to prepare for the next cruise in which they would go to Korea and cross the equator or some such other line. At this crossing, they would perform occultic naval rituals upon those whom had never crossed the line. I was determined to do all I could, not to go on that cruise, and be released from the military.

Praise the Almighty! For my superiors had decided to leave me behind for Shore Patrol Duty. Well, it was tolerable and easy work. But I wanted God’s will, to get out of the military and go to Texas and go to the Bible school.

Something very unusual happened after about 3 weeks, when the ship left without me. To this day I am uncertain whether it was God or not, but at the time, I believed it was. I had this dream.

In the dream, I went to the church in Texas, while there, the minister whose tapes I had been listening to; cast 2 demons out of me. He was dressed in some robe with a medallion around his neck.

I awoke to a knock at my door. I was told by some guy in the dorm, that the chaplain was on the phone for me. I went to the phone and the chaplain said that I had a Red Cross message stating that my grandfather had died. I told him that I would come and see him immediately.

I got dressed and wondered about my dream and this message, and instantly concluded that this would be my way home. And once in the U.S. I could get the military officials there to help me get a discharge.

At the chaplain’s office, I told him that I would like to take leave to go home for the funeral of my grandfather. He understood and said he would help. I needed to get the signature of all my superiors. I proceeded to get these signatures, and the first 3 agreed. I prayed and thanked God. I went to my highest superior to get his signature. He said that a grandfather was too far removed in family relationships to allow me to take leave.

I walked out of there utterly broken, but out of this, I made a decision, at the time I believed it was God. I decided I would leave without permission.

I immediately packed my things and went to the Tokyo airport. I had no problems getting there. At the Airport, I got a ticket to Los Angeles. In Los Angeles, I bought a ticket to the nearest city to the Church in Texas.

I arrived in the city of this church and made contact with them. They made arrangements for me to stay with some folks who attended the church until I could get my own place or share a place with someone else.

The man who had started the church, was not at the 1st service I went to, but was at the 2nd one. The service was an African wedding. He wore an African style robe and had an African medallion, just like in my dream. Here he was wearing exactly what I saw him wearing in my dream, the very 1st time I saw him. This church is not a “sacramental” church or like other churches wear the ministers wear robes. The ministers normally wear regular civilian clothes, often suits.

After 2 weeks, I could see that the land was not open for me. I couldn’t find a job.  It seemed my promised land was not being opened by God. I decided to go back to Wisconsin and find out what it was God wanted me to do.

Once in Wisconsin, I contacted the friends I had made there. I however, kept a low profile, and did not contact my family.

When I told my friends where I was in Texas, they were highly interested. They believed that it was time for them to move and they had a couple of places in mind, one of which was this church. It was believed that this was an indication of direction for them. I made an arrangement with them. I would work and hand over my income to them, and they in turn, would house and feed me. We would move back to Texas together, and once there, they would help me to go to Bible School.

Summer went by quickly, and we earned enough money to move to Texas. The local pastor had a prophetic word for me before we left. He said that there was something I would have to do in Texas that I was unwilling to do at the time.

The move went well. Within two weeks, they found a house and van, and the husband of the family had found a job. I however, was still unsuccessful in finding a place in the land.

After two weeks, the elders of the church found that I was “AWOL” and called me into the office with the man who had been letting me stay with them. I was told with scripture that I had to turn myself into the authorities. I had to fulfill all righteousness to be a true disciple of the Lord. I agreed quickly upon hearing from the Word of God. I was told that I had a week to prepare. I concluded that it was this that had kept the doors closed to me in the land. So I wanted to get things right as quickly as possible.

I turned myself in to the local recruiter. I had been gone for about 4 months. The military sent me to a base in Texas to get a court martial. On the way there and while there, I was treated like and called a traitor. But I abided it all.

While in Texas, my dad found me. He talked with my lawyer, and the lawyer told him that the military would probably put me in prison and throw away the key. However, this was not told to me (not until much later). I was told that I would be probably found guilty and the military would slap my hands and let me go. They probably would take all my rank away and give me some punitive discharge or something to that effect.

When the trial came, the judge asked me my plea and story. I told him that I was not guilty because I fled believing that my life was in danger. He asked, if I had any evidence of that. I told him my reasons concerning my faith and that I had also became dehydrated. He was surprised at this and called for my medical records. It was there as I had described.

Praise the Almighty King and Judge! Because after a short recess the judge came back and found me not guilty. There is some code or law that protects military personnel from undue judgments if they flea for self preservation.

My lawyer further told me that this case was remarkable and probably historical. That a christian would win his case against the military. He also said that if the media had known, it would have been national news. However, it was not published or known. My lawyer was an assigned military lawyer.

What happened next was the hand of God. It was His way of saying, “You may be forgiven, but your disobedience and actions bring results based upon spiritual laws.” This next incident also was God’s way of saying, “Ok, you chose man and self over Me. Now will you stand for Me, when it is not so easy, and when YOU KNOW what to do?!”

The military did not let me go. Instead they sent me to Virginia, where I was to board a modern aircraft carrier that was about to go to the Gulf War one. I had learned that running away was not the answer. And I knew that God wanted me to stand for Him and that I was to go before my superiors, refuse to participate in the continuance of my military service, without running, and willing to accept any punishment they would give me for disobeying orders. I was to accept that punishment; because disobeying man was the lesser crime than the sin of disobeying God. Even if the crime was prison or death.

I did not make any of these decisions based upon the war, nor for fear of being in it. But only for the reasons stated earlier: fear of God.

When I got to Virginia and found out about my assignment, I had determined to follow God. I went to my supervisor and told him that I refused to board the ship, and wanted out of the Navy. I told him that I would not run and that I had just been found not guilty in a court martial. He was not upset but was surprised. He took me to his supervisor, and all the way up to some high ranking officer. This officer could not believe my story and called the base of my court martial to confirm it. He was astonished to learn the truth.

They were all baffled with this situation. Here I was, submitting to them, but refusing to participate in any military work that would further my stay in the military. In the end, they used the command of an officer to verbally command me onto the ship. I refused.

The ship was soon prepared to leave. Everything was loaded. I was brought to the office of my commander. There, he told me everyone was aboard except those of us in his office. He asked me and commanded me to go aboard. It got real intense. He threatened me with desertion during wartime or some such thing. It was here that I remember standing up for God before men, and said something like this::

“I do not or will not desert. I will not run. But I refuse to be a part of any military operation that continues my military service.”

He then said that I could be punished with death or imprisoned with only bread and water because we were at war. Then I replied, “I am willing to be punished for any supposed offense, real or not, because I disobeyed God for coming into the military, and must now leave it, but legally, without running. I am ready to receive a punitive discharge, loss of rank, imprisonment, rations of bread or water, or even death; to obey my God and take that which I deserve for disobeying Him as my consequence.”

I think he asked, “Do you do this because you hate me?” I suppose he was in trouble himself because of my actions, or was made to look bad, but I responded, “Sir, I love you, and will pray for you, if you will allow I will hug you.” I got up as if to hug him. He got angry then, told me to be sit down and be quiet. This guy was absolutely angry. He ordered me stay in his office, and they all left to board the ship.

I must have been there 30 minutes, 90 minutes or possibly more while waiting. My senses were so keyed up I am uncertain how long it was. I waited alone, in an office, in a hanger, that was empty of man or equipment. Finally some SP’s came (security patrol). I don’t know if they were sent or if they were doing their rounds when they found me. They took me to I what I think was Base Operations. Where the real Big Boys were. There I waited, until some officers called me into their office. These guys were very high ranking officials. They demanded to know my story and I told them. The highest officer said that they would load me on a helicopter and fly me onto the ship, because the ship had already left. He said that they would send a helicopter just because of me. That I could not get out of going to war. He was quite upset, and wanted to force me on. I told them that I had been ordered aboard several times, and that if they wanted to, they could manually carry me aboard, but I would refuse to walk on or off the helicopter or onto the ship. They were quiet after that. The high ranking officer stormed off.

In the end they couldn’t or didn’t do anything to send me onto the ship. I got sent to the barracks where the enlisted guys waited to leave the military and also where the less offensive law breakers waited for court martial or Captain’s Mast.

A Captain’s Mast was offered to me and I accepted it. While waiting for the Captain’s Mast, I was put in the same kind of barracks I was in for my court martial.

The day came of my Captain’s Mast. He was polite, to the point, and professional. I gave my story, he asked questions, one of which was if I was a christian. He asked about my feelings about the war, and I told him war had nothing to do with my decisions or actions. His judgment was: loss of one rank, 30 days in detention with extra duties, and an Other than Honorable Discharge. This is an administrative discharge, not a punitive discharge. Where no benefits are given but neither are there any penalties with your release. I found out later, the officer was a christian.

I did my 30 day’s detention and was soon released from the military.

I moved to Texas, to the church where God told me to go to Bible school. I found a job and a place to rent very quickly. The land had opened for me.

I went to Bible school for 2 years, but then disobeyed God again, this time I stayed in Texas, after Bible school instead of moving back to Wisconsin.

I loved the church very much, but I never thought it was perfect. But to this day, I believe, it is the most Biblical church I have ever seen, heard of, or experienced in any way. However it did fall into a cult in my last days there.

One teaching they have, called “Kisser/Cleaver”, is to teach people to stay there. It teaches to become “planted” in the land. Many folks have gone there for school and left. Maybe this was their way to try and keep some, or perhaps they truly believed every student belonged there to stay. But for whatever reason they had for this teaching, they caught me with it, and I disobeyed God yet again. I decided to plant myself there. I had become a man-pleaser yet one more time.

Despite my missing God, I learned a lot there and gained a good reputation and respect from the people and the elders. Most importantly I learned much of God’s ways and the gifts He had given me, and a beginning of how to use them. I learned a great many of Biblical Doctrines and theologies, most of which I believe to be very accurate. Many of which are found on my website. To this day I agree with much of what they taught.

After about 3 years there, I began “dating” a young lady from the church. And I believed it was to lead to marriage. The problem began at this point. The church would not marry anyone unless there was a prophecy or a word from God in the church or to one of the elders, stating that the marriage was from God. It had to be VERY dynamic. Because of this, there were few marriages at the church. And so, they would not marry us. They believed it was not of God, and that I was much more mature spiritually than her.

What this did for me, was cause me to meet with the elders often, I wanted dearly to please them and God. What happened then was these 2 things began to separate. I began to see that God’s will or way was not the elders way or will in my life. What they finally came to say was, “We know it’s not God’s will for you to marry. We also know that you are missing God somewhere in your life and we don’t know where.”

This angered me, I was torn whether or not if it was God’s will, but was upset that they wouldn’t tell me where I was missing God. God showed them that I was missing Him, but they couldn’t discern what. Of coarse not, because all of us involved thought it was God’s will for me to be there and it wasn’t. Yes God wanted me there for school. 2 years of school would have been fine, but I had stayed 2 more years after the first 2 years of school.

Because I wasn’t sure of God’s will in the marriage, I didn’t marry her, and I had begun to lose her. Which frustrated me emotionally. She stopped seeing me regularly, we were forbidden by the church to see each other anyway.

But through this God was working in me His will. That is, through trials, we begin to see the sins in our life, so that we can repent of them. We also begin to see what it is God wants us to do. For indeed I had missed God, he wanted me in Wisconsin. Although they would never say it, nor did I acknowledge it until much later.

Several spiritual things happened during this time.

During this time, the church had a REALLY big change. The minister who had started the church had found some older men of God, and he was submitting to them and his personal ministry to them. Since the church was nondenominational, he believed he needed personal accountability. This was for him, not the church, they were not over the church in any way. Anyway, it was 1 older man in particular and 2 others that ministered with him. They did minister to our church but were not involved in the church governments. The 3 men came to minister to the congregation. They were to give a word from God to each person at a service, through prophecy or other gifts.

This is the word that was given to me from one of those men:

God sees you and your situation. He is happy with you. And He says that you are NOT squandering YOUR inheritance. And He says that He will keep your relationships.

The elders were beginning at this time to talk about my situation in front of the church and to certain groups within the church. I was being condemned as being in sin for pursuing this girl or rebellion against them. I was condemned for squandering my spiritual inheritance in the church.

The night that I got the word from God through that minister, I had a dream:

In the dream, a young and short mafia guy came to me. He started threatening me, saying that the mafia was going to have me killed, and he might be the one to do it. He was small but I sensed a fear trying to have power over me, although it did NOT move me, except in anger. In the dream I knew that this was a demon. I grabbed him and swung him around and said “I am not afraid of you, they can’t kill me and neither can you, I command you to leave me in Jesus name.”

I woke up instantly and sensed the same exact fear trying to permeate my soul in my room. There was a 3 dimensional black humanoid next to my bed about 3 feet tall. I knew it was a demon, and I took the same stance. I said, “I command you to leave in Jesus name.” The demon walked through the wall under my Air Conditioner and left the apartment. I prayed in tongues and in English for awhile after that.

It was shortly after this, a couple weeks or so, that the Lord told me that He would or had removed the church’s authority from me. It was only 2 days after that He told me to leave and go to Wisconsin.

The church fell into cult activities and removed all the older ministers who sought to cover them. I got married to another woman and had 2 sons.

My oldest son, when he was 16, collapsed in the bathroom one morning while getting ready for school. By the time I unlocked the door and got in there it was probably over 3 minutes and his heart had stopped, so we called 911. It was about 8 minutes later when they arrived. And it was probably over 5 minutes after that when he was resuscitated.

Statistics and study have determined that every minute without a heartbeat is a 10 percent chance of not coming back. You do the math, on my son’s chances of coming back. The difference in my son’s case? I prayed in tongues when the rescue squad was there working on him.

Yes I believe in the raising of the dead and other miracles. I have seen them, and been on both ends. Many not listed in this testimony.

These are the major things God has done in my life. Seek God, and He will do the same for you!

Uncovering Possibilities

January 28, 2018

Missing Pages & Content

September 2, 2017

I have decided to delete most of my “main” pages on Randy Shankle and the Church in Marshall. Just as I had decided about a year ago to do the same on my website. Randy remains only a very small threat. And it is time to move on.

We are in a season where the Lord may return any day. I am focusing my energy in completing any prophetic teachings and such in these last days, and so you will have seen I have had more posts in the last month or so than I have made in years.

Bruce back in the media & the coming civil war

August 5, 2017

I have discovered Bruce DeLay was on a TV show 10 months ago, The Deborah Sweetin show. Seen here:


In this show we see Bruce is still involved in politics.  But what I wish to discuss here is that he discusses the coming Civil war. Which I did not know he knew about nor believed in.

I speak of this war in my prophecy page:

But what Bruce has failed to mention, or doesn’t believe in, is that during this civil war America will be attacked by foreign powers.

This has even been prophesied by prophets who do not believe in a pre-trib rapture like Bruce as seen here:

Dumitru Duduman: WILL BURN Will Burn, Interview

When discussing this subject years ago, he cornered me into admitting that his cause is not evil. True and I wrote a page on the subject and discuss it here:

… cause verse 32 says they will do many exploits, yet, they will fall and the anti-christ will overcome, until Jesus comes to consume him with the power of His word. You know, perhaps some folks need this because they need to be purged and made white (verse 35). If that’s their goal (the leaders whom these verses call ‘them of understanding’), is to reach the folks who refuse to do God’s best and want take up the sword, and help them be purged and sacrifice themselves with them, I guess that would be noble cause. I guess they will even get a crown as martyr, so that’s cool. The purpose here is for those believers or possible unbelievers, who wish to resist the anti-christ to get them purified in their faith. It’s a self work, not a work which will stop the anti-christ or Babylon. 

Doing mighty exploits may be good or even acceptable, but it is not the perfect will of God

I do not think that Bruce will be among these who do mighty exploits, as he will be raptured, but he is encouraging and preparing those who will. As there are many strong conservatives who will not be raptured.

I am not gonna argue about the pre-trib rapture here, as you can see my discussion here:

But it is interesting because Bruce refuses to believe in the pre-trib rapture he must then believe in America’s repentance. Because there is no other option. But anyone who reads the end times scriptures can certainly see that is no room for America in the end times, as America will not let an Anti-Christ rule. And how can someone believe in the literal interpretation of the prophecies of Christ’s 1st coming and not believe in the literal interpretation of His 2nd coming?

Bruce is the greatest pastor I know, but he is still a pastor and will fall into the same traps as the end time pastors, he does not preach end time prophecies. the last day pastors will be judged.

Zech. 10: 1: Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field. 2: For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd. 3: Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah… 

There are other prophetic judgments against pastors seen here:

But Zech 10:1 applies to Bruce because  spoken vanity, and… have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain:.. 3: Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds

Bruce preaches a coming repentance that will not come. A false hope. He is forced to again, because he does not believe in a pre-trib rapture.

But scripture is clear such a repentance is NOT coming. I discuss it indepth here:

…isn’t the church a transitional work, and that we are actually looking forward to another city or nation?

9: By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
16: But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

13:14: For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Doesn’t scripture also give us a blessed hope to look forward to?

Ti 2:13: Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

Heb:6:19: Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil

Doesn’t Jesus Himself tell us where to put our treasures?

Mt:6:20: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also

I am not saying to neglect the church, dislike it, nor to not seek after the things of God. But our heart and hope should be heavenward, not movementward, chasing after manifestations of God.

…You see this latter reign, is not the 1st to be prophesied about. Israel was promised a latter rain as well. They have returned as a nation after being absent for thousands of years. Many who study prophecy are familiar with the prophesied years of Israel. My point here, is that Israel gets a latter rain, after they were cut off and had rejected Christ. Thus the latter reign of the church will come at such a time.

This is what is going to happen before the latter rain. There must be a purging of the church before this happens. Those who preach the latter rain often preach about how the church is corrupt or divided. If so, how can the latter rain come without a purging. Does not scripture say:

1 Pet 4:17: For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

The writer of Hebrews speaks of this event.

Heb 12:
25: See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27: And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28: Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear

Please note what verse 25 says “See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven“.

So what happens to a christian who refuses to listen to Christ? Who turns away from Him. Is not this, what the Israelites did, when they were cut off? And then waited many years for their latter reign to come? And what is this escape that the writer speaks of, for those that do listen? This escape cannot mean escape from persecution in the last days. As scripture says otherwise:

Rev 6:
9: And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killedas they were, should be fulfilled.

Rev 13:
4: … Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them…

Is this the same escape that Jesus promised through John in Revelation?

Rev 3: 10: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Interesting, Hebrews says to not refuse Him who speaks, Jesus says to keep His word, both speak of escape, but in Revelation we now learn what the escape is from. It’s from the hour of temptation. But let’s not guess what that is, because Jesus further defines this hour:

Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.

Here Jesus is speaking to the church, and those in the church, as well as those outside the church, who have not listened to Him. Therefore we can see what brings about the Latter Rain.

Jesus is going to remove the faithful christians and leave the unfaithful in the tribulation. But how do the unfaithful christians become faithful, to become those involved in the latter rain?

These people can be prophetically characterized by those who didn’t cross the Jordan for their promised inheritance. 2 1/2 tribes of Israel claimed their inheritance on the side of Jordan without crossing over into the promised land.

Let’s read more about these people.

Math 20: MKJV
8 So when evening had come, the lord of the vineyard said to his steward, Call the laborers and pay them their wage, beginning from the last to the first.
10 But when the first came, they supposed that they would received more; and they also each one received a denarius.   11 And receiving it they murmured against the master of the house,
12 saying, These last have worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13 But he answered one of them and said, Friend, I do you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14 Take yours, and go; I will give to this last one the same as to you.
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last, for many are called, but few are chosen.

Here we see the laborers who responded first, think they will receive a greater reward. Many christians who have crossed over Jordan are judgmental of those believers who have not crossed over or have crossed over later (see the parable of the lost son too). We also see from this parable that the late comers will be rewarded first. Why is this? Because they will be on the earth during the tribulation and will be found faithful. So much faithful, their faith and works will out weight those who escaped.

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from Heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, they shall rest from their labors, and their works follow them.

So some of these christians left behind will overcome and be the persecuted tribulation saints and some martyred, others will become those prophesied in the great apostasy. I speak about them here:

As you can see, being a part of the Latter Rain, is not something to look forward to. It will be a time of great persecution. Sure they will get great rewards, even heavenly ones, but just as Jesus said:

Math 20:
13 But he answered one of them and said, Friend, I do you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14 Take yours, and go…

I am not dismissing or despising the latter rain, it will indeed be a powerful time for the church. But the church will not have power over the nations. But the anti-christ will have power over the saints.

Rev 13:
4: … Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them…

The power the church will have, will be within itself. They will probably have protection against the judgments of God on the earth, and will probably be powerful witnesses with the 2 prophets and the 144,000. But they will not have full protection against the beast. They may have some power to help hide each other from the beast and to feed themselves. Similar to the communal life style the church had at the beginning like in Acts.

So any repentance Bruce thinks is gonna happen, isn’t gonna happen the way he thinks. His work is only going to help and strengthen those left behind to do mighty exploits against the anti-christ, but those men will fail.

Dan 11
6: And in the end of years they shall join themselves together…
14: And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
15: So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.
16: But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.
32: And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33: And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34: Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35: And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
40: And at the time of the end…

Bruce has half the revelation, yes, there will be a civil war, but that will happen after the rapture, and during the civil war America will be attacked by foreign powers.

This civil war will start after the rapture, because the church is the salt, that salt is preserving further corruption in America, but once that salt is gone, the wicked will rise up.



Response to Truthguard

August 12, 2013

Just a short time ago, I discovered a couple of websites that uncovered abuse within Elder Rule. I created a new page on my website discussing this. In general they are good sites with some minor errors. I went into details about such on my new page.

I then proceeded to contact both websites and asked for there response to my new page. responded and I finally replied.

Usually I will take such back and forth responses here on a blog. But since its a matter of doctrine I decided to make a new page on it.

Church Government Part 5 – Eldership Rule Part 3

Roger Grenier

June 29, 2013

Roger Grenier has a website up, showing and selling his cd’s. I found him through Michael Barrett’s website.



Listen and not download the Family Forum

June 28, 2013

I recently discovered you can listen to the Family Forum online without downloading it. Just hit the listen button. This is good news for those who want to hear it and don’t want to download it.