Missing Pages & Content

September 2, 2017

I have decided to delete most of my “main” pages on Randy Shankle and the Church in Marshall. Just as I had decided about a year ago to do the same on my website. Randy remains only a very small threat. And it is time to move on.

We are in a season where the Lord may return any day. I am focusing my energy in completing any prophetic teachings and such in these last days, and so you will have seen I have had more posts in the last month or so than I have made in years.

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Bruce back in the media & the coming civil war

August 5, 2017

I have discovered Bruce DeLay was on a TV show 10 months ago, The Deborah Sweetin show. Seen here:

 

In this show we see Bruce is still involved in politics.  But what I wish to discuss here is that he discusses the coming Civil war. Which I did not know he knew about nor believed in.

I speak of this war in my prophecy page:

http://www.gospel-kingdom.com/pb/wp_4eb252fd/wp_4eb252fd.html

But what Bruce has failed to mention, or doesn’t believe in, is that during this civil war America will be attacked by foreign powers.

This has even been prophesied by prophets who do not believe in a pre-trib rapture like Bruce as seen here:

Dumitru Duduman:

https://www.handofhelp.com/vision_1.php

http://web.archive.org/web/20080702011638/http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Prophets/Prophecy.Duduman.America.html#AMERICA WILL BURN

http://web.archive.org/web/20080702011638/http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Prophets/Prophecy.Duduman.America.html#America Will Burn, Interview

When discussing this subject years ago, he cornered me into admitting that his cause is not evil. True and I wrote a page on the subject and discuss it here:

http://gospel-kingdom.com/pb/wp_95730618/wp_95730618.html

… cause verse 32 says they will do many exploits, yet, they will fall and the anti-christ will overcome, until Jesus comes to consume him with the power of His word. You know, perhaps some folks need this because they need to be purged and made white (verse 35). If that’s their goal (the leaders whom these verses call ‘them of understanding’), is to reach the folks who refuse to do God’s best and want take up the sword, and help them be purged and sacrifice themselves with them, I guess that would be noble cause. I guess they will even get a crown as martyr, so that’s cool. The purpose here is for those believers or possible unbelievers, who wish to resist the anti-christ to get them purified in their faith. It’s a self work, not a work which will stop the anti-christ or Babylon. 

Doing mighty exploits may be good or even acceptable, but it is not the perfect will of God

I do not think that Bruce will be among these who do mighty exploits, as he will be raptured, but he is encouraging and preparing those who will. As there are many strong conservatives who will not be raptured.

I am not gonna argue about the pre-trib rapture here, as you can see my discussion here:

http://gospel-kingdom.com/pb/wp_8d54497f/wp_8d54497f.html

But it is interesting because Bruce refuses to believe in the pre-trib rapture he must then believe in America’s repentance. Because there is no other option. But anyone who reads the end times scriptures can certainly see that is no room for America in the end times, as America will not let an Anti-Christ rule. And how can someone believe in the literal interpretation of the prophecies of Christ’s 1st coming and not believe in the literal interpretation of His 2nd coming?

Bruce is the greatest pastor I know, but he is still a pastor and will fall into the same traps as the end time pastors, he does not preach end time prophecies. the last day pastors will be judged.

Zech. 10: 1: Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field. 2: For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd. 3: Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah… 

There are other prophetic judgments against pastors seen here:

http://gospel-kingdom.com/pb/wp_c5c4abdb/wp_c5c4abdb.html

But Zech 10:1 applies to Bruce because  spoken vanity, and… have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain:.. 3: Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds

Bruce preaches a coming repentance that will not come. A false hope. He is forced to again, because he does not believe in a pre-trib rapture.

But scripture is clear such a repentance is NOT coming. I discuss it indepth here:

http://gospel-kingdom.com/pb/wp_4d8fff96/wp_4d8fff96.html

…isn’t the church a transitional work, and that we are actually looking forward to another city or nation?

Heb:11:
9: By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
16: But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

13:14: For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Doesn’t scripture also give us a blessed hope to look forward to?

Ti 2:13: Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

Heb:6:19: Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil

Doesn’t Jesus Himself tell us where to put our treasures?

Mt:6:20: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also

I am not saying to neglect the church, dislike it, nor to not seek after the things of God. But our heart and hope should be heavenward, not movementward, chasing after manifestations of God.

…You see this latter reign, is not the 1st to be prophesied about. Israel was promised a latter rain as well. They have returned as a nation after being absent for thousands of years. Many who study prophecy are familiar with the prophesied years of Israel. My point here, is that Israel gets a latter rain, after they were cut off and had rejected Christ. Thus the latter reign of the church will come at such a time.

This is what is going to happen before the latter rain. There must be a purging of the church before this happens. Those who preach the latter rain often preach about how the church is corrupt or divided. If so, how can the latter rain come without a purging. Does not scripture say:

1 Pet 4:17: For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

The writer of Hebrews speaks of this event.

Heb 12:
25: See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27: And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28: Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear

Please note what verse 25 says “See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven“.

So what happens to a christian who refuses to listen to Christ? Who turns away from Him. Is not this, what the Israelites did, when they were cut off? And then waited many years for their latter reign to come? And what is this escape that the writer speaks of, for those that do listen? This escape cannot mean escape from persecution in the last days. As scripture says otherwise:

Rev 6:
9: And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killedas they were, should be fulfilled.

Rev 13:
4: … Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them…

Is this the same escape that Jesus promised through John in Revelation?

Rev 3: 10: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Interesting, Hebrews says to not refuse Him who speaks, Jesus says to keep His word, both speak of escape, but in Revelation we now learn what the escape is from. It’s from the hour of temptation. But let’s not guess what that is, because Jesus further defines this hour:

Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.

Here Jesus is speaking to the church, and those in the church, as well as those outside the church, who have not listened to Him. Therefore we can see what brings about the Latter Rain.

Jesus is going to remove the faithful christians and leave the unfaithful in the tribulation. But how do the unfaithful christians become faithful, to become those involved in the latter rain?

These people can be prophetically characterized by those who didn’t cross the Jordan for their promised inheritance. 2 1/2 tribes of Israel claimed their inheritance on the side of Jordan without crossing over into the promised land.

Let’s read more about these people.

Math 20: MKJV
8 So when evening had come, the lord of the vineyard said to his steward, Call the laborers and pay them their wage, beginning from the last to the first.
10 But when the first came, they supposed that they would received more; and they also each one received a denarius.   11 And receiving it they murmured against the master of the house,
12 saying, These last have worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13 But he answered one of them and said, Friend, I do you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14 Take yours, and go; I will give to this last one the same as to you.
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last, for many are called, but few are chosen.

Here we see the laborers who responded first, think they will receive a greater reward. Many christians who have crossed over Jordan are judgmental of those believers who have not crossed over or have crossed over later (see the parable of the lost son too). We also see from this parable that the late comers will be rewarded first. Why is this? Because they will be on the earth during the tribulation and will be found faithful. So much faithful, their faith and works will out weight those who escaped.

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from Heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, they shall rest from their labors, and their works follow them.

So some of these christians left behind will overcome and be the persecuted tribulation saints and some martyred, others will become those prophesied in the great apostasy. I speak about them here:

http://gospel-kingdom.com/pb/wp_a0fdfed9/wp_a0fdfed9.html

As you can see, being a part of the Latter Rain, is not something to look forward to. It will be a time of great persecution. Sure they will get great rewards, even heavenly ones, but just as Jesus said:

Math 20:
13 But he answered one of them and said, Friend, I do you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14 Take yours, and go…

I am not dismissing or despising the latter rain, it will indeed be a powerful time for the church. But the church will not have power over the nations. But the anti-christ will have power over the saints.

Rev 13:
4: … Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them…

The power the church will have, will be within itself. They will probably have protection against the judgments of God on the earth, and will probably be powerful witnesses with the 2 prophets and the 144,000. But they will not have full protection against the beast. They may have some power to help hide each other from the beast and to feed themselves. Similar to the communal life style the church had at the beginning like in Acts.

So any repentance Bruce thinks is gonna happen, isn’t gonna happen the way he thinks. His work is only going to help and strengthen those left behind to do mighty exploits against the anti-christ, but those men will fail.

Dan 11
6: And in the end of years they shall join themselves together…
14: And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
15: So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.
16: But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.
32: And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33: And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34: Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35: And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
40: And at the time of the end…

Bruce has half the revelation, yes, there will be a civil war, but that will happen after the rapture, and during the civil war America will be attacked by foreign powers.

This civil war will start after the rapture, because the church is the salt, that salt is preserving further corruption in America, but once that salt is gone, the wicked will rise up.

 

 


Response to Truthguard

August 12, 2013

Just a short time ago, I discovered a couple of websites that uncovered abuse within Elder Rule. I created a new page on my website discussing this. In general they are good sites with some minor errors. I went into details about such on my new page.

I then proceeded to contact both websites and asked for there response to my new page.

Truthguard.com responded and I finally replied.

Usually I will take such back and forth responses here on a blog. But since its a matter of doctrine I decided to make a new page on it.

Church Government Part 5 – Eldership Rule Part 3

http://gospel-kingdom.com/pb/wp_30af7140/wp_30af7140.html


Roger Grenier

June 29, 2013

Roger Grenier has a website up, showing and selling his cd’s. I found him through Michael Barrett’s website.

http://www.rogergrenier.com/

 

 


Listen and not download the Family Forum

June 28, 2013

I recently discovered you can listen to the Family Forum online without downloading it. Just hit the listen button. This is good news for those who want to hear it and don’t want to download it.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/zjmd4n2llgg/forum.mp3

 


Updates

June 26, 2013

I decided to add more content to my new page Eldership Rule Part 2:

http://www.gospel-kingdom.com/pb/wp_c5c4abdb/wp_c5c4abdb.html

The main purpose of the page is to show a distinction of what elders can’t rule on and where they can.  And I thought the specifics on this was rather thin, so I have put more description and details on it, as well as examples.

Also since all this business has been going on, there has been an increase to the download of the “Family Forum”, which by the way, I decided to link to on my new page, as a prime example of elder rule abuse. There now has been 92 downloads.

And I don’t know what’s going on, but there sure has been a lot of activity. In fact I have a new record of visitors on my blog. On Wed, Apr 10, of this year 2013, I had 299 views. That beat the visitors from when Jerry Collum died, and the other previous record.

I hope people are getting help, and are moving on with their life.

I also updated my post “Someone else’s new website up”

https://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/someone-elses-new-website-up/

I researched when Randy admitted to portering in the cancer. It originally came from the “Healing Services” after the “Family Forum” (btw…there was no healing).

 


Eldership Rule Part 2

June 24, 2013

http://www.gospel-kingdom.com/pb/wp_c5c4abdb/wp_c5c4abdb.html

Church Government Part 4 – Eldership Rule Part 2

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A Balanced Biblical View
This page is part 2 to Church Government Part 2 – Eldership Rule: Concerning the Shepherding Movement .


I recently came across 2 very interesting links, which help deal with the abuse of the Shepherding Movement and Elder Rule abuse. They are:


http://www.truthguard.com/
http://www.wickedshepherds.com/


These are 2 great sites, which deal with the subject very well. However, there is some small doctrinal issues I have with them. And this is expected, because when you have abuse on one end, typically you see the correction swing to the other end of the spectrum, but often the truth is some where in the middle.


While I haven’t read every single article there, they seem to disregard the doma gift of the pastor. For example right here:


http://www.wickedshepherds.com/ThePastor.html


The other site doesn’t go the the extreme as this one, but instead deflates the pastor’s role instead:


http://www.truthguard.com/should-a-pastor-rule-over-you-a5.html


The reason this is important, this is one area I have seen where they agree with some of the abusive teachings. I have seen for example Randy Shankle deny the existence of the pastor gift, especially when he promotes his kingdom theology. But yet scripture lists the pastor as one of the 5 fold doma gifts:


Eph 4: 8: Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 11: And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers

Now you could look up the word “pastor” in the Greek” and use a Greek form of the word, or call it a Shepherd, but no matter what you call it, it exists.


However, how it exists is the problem. Institutional churches often make them the leader of the church, when this may not be the case in all situations. And what role does a pastor have? I would refer you to the role of elders on part one, linked above.
But on this page, I would like to address in more detail where the line is for Church Rule, by pastors or any elders or doma ministers.


Elders, just like pastors exist in scripture, and also in one of the links above they seem to make an elder just a wise older person who gives advice. I ran into this theory before. But I will refer you to Church Government: Ascension Gifts vs Descension Gifts for more info about what an elder is. But once again, here, I wish to draw a line on where elders rule, and where they do not.


The links I discovered give great Biblical stances on what elders do not rule in:


http://www.truthguard.com/should-a-pastor-rule-over-you-a5.html

•All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus (Matt 28:18).

•Jesus alone is the Head of the church (John 5:26-27, Eph 1:22-23, Col 1:18).

•God does not permit Christians to have controlling authority over other Christians in the church (see Matt 20:25-28, Mark 10:42-45, Luke 22:24-27, 1Pet 5:3, Matt 23:8-12, etc.).

•We do not have multiple special high priests over us. There is only One High Priest, Jesus Christ (see Hebrews 3:1, 4:14).

•We have One Master Christ and we are all brothers (see Matt 23: 8-12).

•You cannot obey two masters; you will love the one and hate the other (Matt 6:24, Luke 6:13). You simply cannot obey Jesus as master and a pastor as master at the same time.
Ruling over the lives of sheep, is not an elders place. They have no authority there. So where do they have authority?
 Jas 3:1 ¶ My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.  2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.  3 Behold, we put bits in the horses’ mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.  4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
These verses show us indirectly the rule of elders. Elders steer the church. They don’t steer households, they don’t steer individuals, they steer the flock. As a bit in a horses mouth, as a helm on a ship, as a shepherd of the flock.
But what does this mean? Let’s say a church want’s to reach out, whether to another community, or within that community, or so on. Do the church members vote on such decisions? No, that is not Biblical. Church leadership decides. Or who decided on what is to be preached and taught during services? Who steers the direction of the church? The doma ministers.
But church leaders don’t decide where you work, what clothes you wear, or who you are to marry.
Those 2 websites are great. But if taken to the extreme, there wouldn’t be any rule. Leadership steers the church. It’s Biblical.
Now one thing these websites seem to concentrate on is the lack or good churches, good church leaders (by what they define as legitimate leaders), and a particularly good pastors. And this is relatively true. It’s an issue I agree on, most pastors today are bad pastors. This was prophesied on in the Old Testament concerning the last days.

Zech. 10: 1: Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field. 2: For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd. 3: Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah… 

Zec 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

Ezekiel 34:6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yes, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them. 7 Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; 8 As I live, says the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became food to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock; 9 Therefore, O you shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; 10 Thus says the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be food for them.

Jer 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! says the LORD. 2 Therefore thus says the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; You have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, says the LORD.


Even the best pastor I have ever met (Bruce Delay), misses the boat, because he is promoting politics as a solution to America’s problem! When Paul clearly stated:

2 Cor 10:4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
So how can carnal actions (voting, legislation, politics), fix a spiritual problem? They can’t.
Pastors have missed it, and God foresaw this way back in the Old Testament. I also saw this when I began reading prophecy books, one author claimed that because pastors refuse to teach and discuss prophecy, that Christians are seeking for such information elsewhere, like in books.
Pastors need to be feeding the flock. How many of the flock know the Foundational principles of Christ?
Just because there is fake money, or money that has been misused, or even damaged, doesn’t mean that real money doesn’t exist. I had a Christian friend years ago deny that prophets exist because there are so many false ones. This is not the case.
The 5 fold doma gifts are from God and are real. But they have failed. I discuss church failure here:
Has the Church Failed?
So once again, the following 2 links are very good tools to help with abusive Church Rule, just remember what I am sharing here. Eldership Rule is Biblical, but what they can rule and what they cannot rule, must be understood.
http://www.truthguard.com/
http://www.wickedshepherds.com/

I hope one can understand I do not believe in the complete failure of the church and the absence of good ministers/pastors. While finding a good church may be difficult, it’s not impossible. I am not endorsing the forsaking of the church, but realize the church may have forsaken you and me. Nor am I condemning good pastors like Bruce Delay. I am just acknowledging a level of failure, and the difficulty of finding a good church.