May 11th service from Mar 23

I know I been quiet for 2 weeks. A week and a half ago CiM didn’t broadcast anything, at least nothing I was able to get. Last Sunday they rebroadcast the Mar 23rd service. I commented on it here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/randy-meets-with-jerry/

But I didn’t say much and I may have missed some of it before. Actually probably alot, because I had so much to comment on that I have decided to NOT upload the sound bites of smaller consequence. Interesting enough, they didn’t broadcast any video only sound. Again, at least what I was able to get. But I been only recording sound anyways.

I lost track of time, perhaps its been quiet because they had those meetings.

Anyways as I stated, I have lots to share.

In the following sound bite, you can hear how Randy would consider civil disobedience and putting other lives in danger.

If you left click on it to play, you will see a small audio player. Just click on the main part or the play arrow to hear it. Or if you hover your mouse pointer over it you will see another audio player which you can click on.

 The New Testament does tell us we ought to obey God and not civil authority, but this is in reference to preaching the gospel. As well as things like abortion and other such matters. We certainly shouldn’t disobey civil authority in canoeing. The problem is that Randy believes he represents God’s will. And you can tell that just from that one instance, but I will be sharing more about that problem below. He also used this example of Reese being the perfect son. This is how Randy’s wants all the members of the church, yes men to him. Because Randy always knows God’s will. NOT!

In this next sound bite Randy shows another method of controlling people in the church. He actually goes into 2, but mainly focuses on 1:

 

You see Randy condemns anyone who questions him. 1st, they represent satan and are disobeying God, and 2ndly their nature is wrong because they represent satan, and need their nature changed. These kinds of tactics keep Randy in the right, and thus disallowing any questioning of Randy.

One has to ask, does Randy obey such “virtues” himself? If he didn’t question others in authority, then why did he leave other denominations and start his own church? You see, for him its okay, because Randy represents God. NOT!

In this next sound bite Randy discusses how in the new priesthood we must submit to God (the changing of this nature):

You can see Randy continues to instruct the people to obey God, and submit to God. Therefore if you want to commit to whatever God is doing, one must commit to Randy!

In the next clip we hear how Randy came to be at God’s right hand and how Reese now is an example of this. Therefore Randy’s will is God’s will.

In the next clip Randy goes into detail about adversaries. If anyone questions God, then they are a tool of satan, therefore if anyone questions Randy, then satan is using them! NOT!

 

So this builds up to what Randy thinks of me. He starts about talking about satan, how satan opposed God, then Randy goes into a discussion about me. Its possible he is talking about someone else, but I doubt it. I don’t know anyone else who gets into details about Randy on the internet. Here’s the clip:

 This next sound bite Randy gets defensive of what I believe is from what I am doing here. As well as making sure any mature believers in his midst don’t question him. While he has uncovered the errors of those who left CiM in bitterness, though unjustly in many areas, he has yet to defend himself of the main points I continue to use on this blog and my website. Listen here:

 

Now is this a technicality or is this God’s standard?

1 Tim 3:2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Titus 1:
6  If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7:  For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

Oh, and if its only technicality to use scriptures to determine who can be an elder why doesn’t Randy ordain a woman?

Why is it okay for Randy to use scripture but not others? Oh I forgot, Randy represents God!

So is it possible that God could resist Randy? Lets hear what Randy says on this:

 

So if Randy was prideful then God could resist him. Thats Randy’s standard right? So lets see if Randy is prideful:

 

That last clip so disgusts me. Others can give place to satan and disrupt what God is doing in Randy, but NOT Randy himself? C’mon! That is terrible spiritual pride! And God thus resists Randy. This is why Randy is pushing and promoting his ministry again. Here is what he claims is what his purpose is in going to Cincinatti:

 

 Jesus spoke about the Pharicees making disciples:

Math 23:

15: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Perhaps this is why Bruce DeLay called them yes men.

It is interesting if you carefully look at what Randy and CiM are doing. Randy still claims he is a “man of blood”. Thankfully Jerry spoke this to Randy. Perhaps I, or someone writing to Jerry was able to get Jerry to speak this to Randy. Here is the clip of Randy talking about it:

 

So if Randy recognizes that he isn’t gonna build the house, why is he promoting his ministry? So others can take over? If thats the case why did he say “may it be so” to Danette’s vision, where she claims Randy will lead the apostolic campaign. Listen to it here:

 

Much of this service speaks of his ministry or the ministry he will be a part of. And that he would return to something he lost. Listen to part one of this:

 

This cry of “Masada” is Randy’s cry that the enemies of Randy will not defeat him.  But if Jesus will build the church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it, why did he fall? Was it demons or did God resist him? And why would he want this place if he is a man of blood? He confesses that being a man of blood grieves his soul and he didn’t want to hear it.

Did you also note how he “dissed” Michael Barret? Anyways here’s part 2 of Masada:

 

You will also note that Randy claimed that God had restored the Prophet 100%. I had been taught by CiM, that of the 5 fold ministry (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers) that the apostles and prophets had yet to be fully restored. Some believe that this restoration will be a part of the Latter Reign, or some call it the Manifest Sons of God time.

Linda prophecies of this manifestation. Listen to the clip here:

 

 In the following clip Randy calls it the manifest sons of God:

 

But what does the Bible say about this time period, when the Latter Reign occurs? when the Manchild manifests?

Zech. 10:
1: Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.
2: … therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd
3: Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah…

You see “they were troubled“, “Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats“, “for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock“?

This is what is going to happen before the latter rain. There must be a purging of the church 1st. Those who preach the latter rain often preach about how the church is corrupt or divided. If so, how can the latter rain come without a purging. Does not scripture say:

1 Pet 4:17: For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

The writer of Hebrews speaks of this event.

Heb 12:
25: See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27: And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28: Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Please note what verse 25 says “See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven“.

So what happens to a christian who refuses to listen to Christ? Who turns away from Him. Is not this what the Israelites did when they were cut off? And then waited many years for their latter reign to come? Thus it is because the church had not listened to the Bible and now were unified that they receive the apostles and prophets. No the time of the manifest sons of God is NOT yet.

Well as I said, I had alot. Thus some of the reason why I was so late in posting this time around.

Apr 27 with New Features

I will be adding more media to my blog as time goes by. I have started recording the messages from CiM. Since some folks claim I make up or lie about what they say or their stances.

If you left click on it to play, you will see a small audio player. Just click on the main part or the play arrow to hear it. Or if you hover your mouse pointer over it you will see another audio player which you can click on.

Often you may have heard me talk about how CiM claims their errors are God ordained. Such as on Oct 8, 06 Jeff said, “be wronged, eat it, and shut up” and went on to say if they (the church and elders) were wrong it was God ordained. In this next audio file you will hear Jeff discussing this (ordaining error) again from the Apr 27th 08 service.

God can use our errors to help people, but this doesn’t mean our errors are God ordained. If thats’ true, then why isn’t Randy and Jeff going to a Catholic church? Why don’t they just eat Catholic error and be happy?

In this next audio file Jeff goes on to talk about freedom people claim to have when they leave CiM.

 

While some people and kids want to get away from authority, many people have left CiM because of abuse. Which is NOT ordained. Perhaps Randy and Jeff think Israel should go back to Egypt and go back to slavery?

 In the next clip Jeff talks about how some claim God changes His mind about folks coming or staying at CiM.

There may be some truth to some people’s error on this issue, but Jeff and Randy should know this error, as they have caused it with doctrines such as “Kisser/Cleaver”. Some people have been called to CiM, but that doesn’t mean the call is permanent. I was called to go to school there. God didn’t change His mind. I missed God by staying at CiM longer than I was supposed to.

In the next clip Jeff talks about how people must accept their error and just forgive.

It is true we are to forgive, but Paul also says this:

Rom 16:17: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

This blog, as well as my website, explain what steps must be taken when a bishop or elder makes error. While I do not condemn forgiving him and in fact encourage folks to do so, and even have been despised for saying this by some who are bitter, forgiveness is needed, as I discuss in my CiM Survival Guide:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/cim-survival-guide/

If you are interested in hearing Jeff’s whole message about this in its entirety and hearing it in it’s context, here is the file (its not the whole message but does include the 4 1/2 minutes he discussed this subject from the Apr 27, 08 service)

 
Apr 27

April 20th

Not much to report. I have however noticed that CiM hasn’t mentioned Jerry Collum in a few weeks nor have they listed him as a speaker in the coming events. Perhaps, just maybe, Jerry has pulled the plug. This is speculation, only based on observance, and I hope it’s a correct one. However the following men are scheduled to speak:

HB Seymour

Shelley Alley

Tracy Hearnsburger

If you can contact them and persuade them otherwise, that would be great, I do not know much about these men.

I also noticed that when Linda misinstered today, she broke the scriptural principles about women ministering. She had asked either the congregation to stand up or to raise their hands, can’t remember which, perhaps both, but a woman cannot direct the church in any direction.

Let’s say God is calling a local church to fast. A woman cannot declare this to the church. She would be moving the members in a certain specific direction which is not a generalized scriptural mandate. A woman could teach about fasting, but not order it to happen.

I discuss women’s ministry in detail here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/doma2.html

I know when I was at CiM, one goal was to teach the people to minister and later teach them how or the order thereof. Focusing on getting the gifts manifested. They focused on the 1st part of this verse:

1 Cor 14:40: Let all things be done decently and in order.

They would say they would worry about the “decently and in order” later.

I would certainly think that Linda has had ample time in discipleship training, she was there when I was there and probably there before I was there.  She should certainly be doing her ministry “decently and in order” by now.  Some may say that having the congregation stand up or raise their hands won’t hurt anything. But remember what Jesus said:

Math 7:21: Not every one that says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?

23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

 There may indeed be a time and season where “decently and in order” can be over looked. Perhaps in discipleship classes or services where the general public are not involved or when the service is not being broadcasted. But this is further evidence that Randy and CiM are letting ministry happen for the sake of building up their own legitimacy. This may be directly involved with the problem which started a year or so ago when Randy began promoting women’s ministry. It was a very big issue with some folks. Because of that I covered that problem, it wasn’t a big issue with me, until this kind of thing occurs or other problems manifest as I stated at that time.

 

An example of Randy’s error

I recently watched a Star Trek: Enterprise episode that reminded me of Randy and his error. The following video is 45 seconds of this episode. One man claims to be a representative of the “Makers” and is a leader of a certain faction. One of his subordinates has doubts about this leaders actions and the incident they are involved in which has brought violence to folks who helped them. The leader states that if he represents the Makers then when anyone doubts him, they doubt the Makers and that means they are now involved in heresy. He goes on to say that anyone who does not accept his message is an enemy and anyone who sympathizes with an enemy has stepped into heresy themselves.

Randy and CiM are so guilty of all these errors. Randy has told people that he hears God’s will for people and that they must submit to him to be in God’s will. He even said this to Bruce DeLay! The CiM administration are also guilty of alienating people who disagree with them, making them heretics in their eyes. Randy teaches men to be hunters, but Jesus taught His disciples to be fishers of men.

Rom:2:4: Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Go to this link to view the 45 second video or just click play arrow below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0ddKQyvR8A

If using Star Trek as a teaching tool for the gospel interests you, I have a page on my website where I use the Star Trek Borg as a simile of another doctrine. Although it does not deal with Randy or CiM:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/borg.html

 

 

What’s up with Jerry Collum?

I have not heard back anything from Jerry. If anyone out there may have more influence please contact him to keep him from getting drunk on Randy’s “wine” and falling into error and compliance with Randy’s error.

Jerry’s contact info can be found here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/excim-elder-info/