Latest on CiM & Randy

This is my static page (though it will change as times and subject matters change) on Randy Shankle and the Church in Marshall.

I will post the recent articles that deal with the latest happenings in order here, not as the category does by placing them as most recent 1st.

In this way a person can read the material in such a manner chronologicly.

The subject of this page, the current dealings with Randy and CiM is: Jerry Collum

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http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/former-cim-elders/

I try to keep up with where former CiM elders are and what they are doing. At least the ones I know. It appears Jerry Collum has had some reconciliation with Randy. I believe Randy stated they bumped into each other at some store. Then Randy had Jerry speak at the New Years Meetings, although I did not watch them. Today Randy said he took Jerry with him to some meetings in Washington where they ministered. Unfortunately I don’t know any more than this, but hope to learn more, perhaps I can listen to the New Years Meetings.Michael Barrett:

http://www.citychurchla.com/city/home

Michael serves as an elder and pastor of City Church.  In addition to functioning as an elder to the City Church fellowship, Michael functions apostolically on a relational basis in Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Maryland, Florida, Tennessee, Texas and Louisiana.  Prayer, preaching, teaching, conference speaking, counseling and writing are the activities that occupy most of the ministry time.

Bruce DeLay:
 
http://www.heartlandstrategy.org/  - the internet center for 3 of his ministries
http://www.1170kfaq.com/delay.html - his radio show webpage
http://www.church.sierra-vista.az.us/ - an older webpage of I believe his home church
 
I have had no contact with Michael or Jerry. I cannot find Jerry on the internet at all. I have attempted to contact Michael but he never responded back, but I do know that ex-CiM members go to his church. I offered Michael to publish a letter of his if he wanted to comment on Randy and he never responded.

I have been in contact with Bruce for many years but our relationship is strained. I have sent other people to Bruce and Michael for help. Folks who needed more than I could offer. They do not have any part with my ministry nor I of theirs. Nor will I offer any personal info of them than that I already have shared as that info is found on the internet.

There is another “elder” I have been in contact with, but he was not there when I was there. He arrived as I was leaving and left some years later. I don’t think he was on staff at CiM, he may have had some home group which he was over of, I am not sure. He agreed I could send folks to him for help as well. I have no internet info on him, and he does not contact me at all. I have had like 2 emails with him total. I knew of him from the Emperor is Naked forum, where I believe his wife has participated, and from Bruce, and from his brother, of which I had several email conversations with a few years ago. I will not post his name, since I have no internet info on him, and know so little about him.

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On Feb 10, 08, I discovered Jerry Collum on the internet. He is involved with Longview Metro Church:

http://www.longviewmetro.org/index.php

You can see a picture of him here:

http://www.longviewmetro.org/staff.php

Where it states he is the Associate Pastor and involved in Christian Education. And you can search their webpage for contact information, which does list an email address for Jerry.

To keep up to date and have a more permanent page, I have created a page for this info:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/excim-elder-info/ 

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 http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/a-letter-from-an-ex-elder-of-cim/

In Dec of 2004 a former elder of CiM decided to write a letter to the public about Randy Shankle and allowed me to publish it on my website. It was up for over a year on my site before he finally asked me to take it down. This occurred early in 2006. He had decided he had done enough to help former CiM members and those who were looking for info about Randy and wanted to get on with his life and ministry. But it wasn’t a complete cut off as he continued to make small contributions to a forum with ex-CiMers on it. Though it did become a decreasing element and one which he stated there and elsewhere he was wishing to be done with it and move on.

I have discussed this forum elsewhere, like here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2007/08/25/the-fall-of-a-forum/

The forum remains going but barely, it’s all but dead. There was another small complication during this time frame. A certain other webmaster who posted and probably still posts teachings from Randy on his website got angry at me for linking to his site. I do not reject all of Randy’s teachings many of which are the foundations of many of my website teachings. I do have certain issues with some of his teachings and discuss this here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/error.html

Thus when certain teachings I also had on my website correlated with such, I linked to this website as another example of the teachings I thought were doctrinally sound. The webmaster discovered this and was upset because I uncovered Randy’s errors and he didn’t want my site connected to his at all even if we agreed on certain teachings from Randy. He asked me to remove the links. I declined and he threatened to take me to court. All data I seen on this matter states anyone can link to another person’s site as long as the link is not used in a derogatory manner, nor if the link is put in a frame on your website posting the content of the other site making it look like it was your work. I did nothing like this but he went to the forum, made a stink there, emailed the elder because I had links to him and he to me, and was thus blaming him as well and threatening to sue this former elder of CiM.

So with the elders help, I decided to remove these links. I removed every link to the offended webmaster and most of the links to the elder’s website, but not all. But as stated this occurred at about the same time he decided he was done with CiM. He had received over 50 emails thanking him for publishing this letter and many those folks made decisions to not move to Marshall or to leave Marshall and other such testimonies.

So you can no longer find his letter on my website out of respect for his request, and I have not named him to help with this request. However, it is my opinion as he is a former elder of CiM he has more authority and responsibility to help the wounded from CiM. While he has agreed for me to send requests to him from others for help, he has asked me not to publish his name or email address publicly, thus he still offers some small help at times. However since then, only 1 person has made such a request,  through these channels, however others have been sent to him by me from other sources. People tend to want to talk to just me, or contact him directly rather than me be a bridge between them I guess.

I am not his bishop and cannot correct him or tell him his duty or responsibilities. I am not his Lord. I wish he would do more, I have personally seen how effective it is when he goes public. I still post Clarence Hill’s letter, for example, see here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/meeting.html

A few years ago I discovered what is called the “Wayback Machine” it’s an internet archive and found here:

http://www.archive.org/index.php

Only within the last year did I realize that this former elder’s letter can still be seen there. That website is NOT mine, nor do I host any content there. However you can find 3 copies of that page on the archive:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041221044753/http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/bruce.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20050211174815/http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/bruce.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20050312123144/http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/bruce.html

There is a 2nd location of the Wayback Machine located in Alexandria, Egypt found here:

http://www.bibalex.org/isis/frontend/archive/archive_web.aspx

And the letter from this former CiM elder can be found in 3 locations on their server as well:

http://web.petabox.bibalex.org/web/20041221044753/http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/bruce.html

http://web.petabox.bibalex.org/web/20050211174815/http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/bruce.html

http://web.petabox.bibalex.org/web/20050312123144/http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/bruce.html

So why am I sharing this? Because some accused me of lying that such a letter never existed, and I believe it gives more evidence to the sins of Randy Shankle. Please note that the email address you find on that page is outdated and I will NOT publicly share the new one. As that would be a breach in my agreement.

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http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/feb-10-2008/

Not much to report. Randy stated that he is having a canoe trip in March with Jerry Collum so that they can discuss what it means that they are now yoked together. He also stated that Jerry will be at the May meetings, as well as Tracy Hernsberger (spelled right?), H.B. Seymour (spelling?) , Derik & Ursla (spelling? from South Africa), & Shelly Alley (spelling).

I would like to add that my spirit was very grieved when Jeff started to speak, so grieved that I almost turned it off, but I just turned it down. A report has arrived to me that what he had to say was really off the principles of God. I didn’t listen, since the grieving came before I had the chance to even hear him. About a year ago or so, there was an entire service that grieved the Spirit and I shut down the broadcast to my computer and went and did something entirely.

Bruce DeLay once stated that Randy is the only real elder, that everyone were just puppets or yes men to Randy. Since Randy despises neutered men, which they discussed a bit today, an elder under him who is in submission and is neutered would not be accepted, therefore the demonic is involved to make up the difference. And Jeff steps right into the demonic at times. And there can be no dismantling of words by me or anyone to that which is demonic, hence the grieving. Even if I had listened, I wouldn’t try and dismantle what he said. We can’t argue with demons, we must shun them, rebuke them, and avoid them.

Lastly I have found internet information about Jerry Collum and will be posting it here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/01/20/former-cim-elders/

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http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/latest/

I know I have been quiet for a couple of weeks. I went skiing last weekend. Also not much to comment on concerning Randy or CiM. However I have some info to share.  I emailed Jerry Collum, and he did contact me. He didn’t want to respond because he didn’t know me. I replied reminding him of our brief contact and never heard from him again, yet. I may try again.

Randy made an interesting comment today. One which I have spoken on several times. He stated that a person can remain spiritual without going to church, without tithing, without feeding the poor and so on. He should know this personally as he has done things wrong, and still has a connection to God. This does not, as I stated before, allow him to remain an elder or bishop. It doesn’t mean he can’t be forgiven and continue his own discipleship with God.

Randy spoke about the conscience today. It was a nice message, one which I have been meditating on for years. And then spoke specifically in one area about drugs/pharmaceuticals (he talked about others too). He takes a similar stance as I do, he doesn’t like taking even headache drugs. I myself even avoid caffeine and will not even suggestive sell caffeinated soft drinks at work.

I am not legalistic on these matters, as I sometimes mix Mellow Yellow with Orange Hi-C at work. But I rarely drink cola’s or caffeinated sodas straight, perhaps maybe 1 a year. I also may take headache medicine once every couple years when I have a cold or flu, but because I have charisma of healing which manifests effectively on headaches, I rarely need anything. Since 1989, I have had only 2 headaches that have lasted more than a couple minutes, as they are healed when I pray. And yes it does work on others too. I have about 75% success rate on unbelievers and a 50% success rate on other believers.

One thing I was looking for from Randy’s message was how one heals a weak conscience. We know how it gets weak, we know why it gets weak. But how do you heal it? He spoke the answer at the end, but was very brief on it. He said you must obey the conscience. I agree, its like a muscle once you start obeying it (working it) it will get stronger. There are certain things we can do to help; avoid temptation, build our faith in prayer and God’s word, and so on.

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http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/randy-meets-with-jerry/

Randy just came back with his canoe trip with Jerry Collum. There was 30 men on that trip. I knew this was happening so I emailed Jerry once again before the trip. He has yet to respond again.

I encourage everyone of you who does not want to see Jerry Collum hook up with Randy Shankle again contact Jerry here:

Jerry Collum:

http://www.longviewmetro.org/staff.php

The page states he is the Associate Pastor and involved in Christian Education with Longview Metro Church:

http://www.longviewmetro.org/index.php

Jerry’s email address:

jerryc@longviewmetro.org

I detail this info here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/excim-elder-info/

Randy said today on this coming Friday he his heading up to Cincinnati to visit Ron Mosby. I searched and found what I believe is his blog:

http://servantsofthekingdom.blogspot.com/

I also suggest contacting him and warning him of Randy. I put a comment on his page here:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=15146956&postID=8183730470421278264

If you believe Randy is a danger to the Body of Christ please be pro-active and help and contact these folks.

I emailed Jerry again today, myself.

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http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/whats-up-with-jerry-collum/

I have not heard back anything from Jerry. If anyone out there may have more influence please contact him to keep him from getting drunk on Randy’s “wine” and falling into error and compliance with Randy’s error.

Jerry’s contact info can be found here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/excim-elder-info/

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http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/april-20th/

Not much to report. I have however noticed that CiM hasn’t mentioned Jerry Collum in a few weeks nor have they listed him as a speaker in the coming events. Perhaps, just maybe, Jerry has pulled the plug. This is speculation, only based on observance, and I hope it’s a correct one. However the following men are scheduled to speak:

HB Seymour

Shelley Alley

Tracy Hearnsburger

If you can contact them and persuade them otherwise, that would be great, I do not know much about these men.

I also noticed that when Linda misinstered today, she broke the scriptural principles about women ministering. She had asked either the congregation to stand up or to raise their hands, can’t remember which, perhaps both, but a woman cannot direct the church in any direction.

Let’s say God is calling a local church to fast. A woman cannot declare this to the church. She would be moving the members in a certain specific direction which is not a generalized scriptural mandate. A woman could teach about fasting, but not order it to happen.

I discuss women’s ministry in detail here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/doma2.html

I know when I was at CiM, one goal was to teach the people to minister and later teach them how or the order thereof. Focusing on getting the gifts manifested. They focused on the 1st part of this verse:

1 Cor 14:40: Let all things be done decently and in order.

They would say they would worry about the “decently and in order” later.

I would certainly think that Linda has had ample time in discipleship training, she was there when I was there and probably there before I was there.  She should certainly be doing her ministry “decently and in order” by now.  Some may say that having the congregation stand up or raise their hands won’t hurt anything. But remember what Jesus said:

Math 7:21: Not every one that says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?

23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

 There may indeed be a time and season where “decently and in order” can be over looked. Perhaps in discipleship classes or services where the general public are not involved or when the service is not being broadcasted. But this is further evidence that Randy and CiM are letting ministry happen for the sake of building up their own legitimacy. This may be directly involved with the problem which started a year or so ago when Randy began promoting women’s ministry. It was a very big issue with some folks. Because of that I covered that problem, it wasn’t a big issue with me, until this kind of thing occurs or other problems manifest as I stated at that time.

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http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/may-11th-service-from-mar-23/

I know I been quiet for 2 weeks. A week and a half ago CiM didn’t broadcast anything, at least nothing I was able to get. Last Sunday they rebroadcast the Mar 23rd service. I commented on it here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/randy-meets-with-jerry/

But I didn’t say much and I may have missed some of it before. Actually probably alot, because I had so much to comment on that I have decided to NOT upload the sound bites of smaller consequence. Interesting enough, they didn’t broadcast any video only sound. Again, at least what I was able to get. But I been only recording sound anyways.

I lost track of time, perhaps its been quiet because they had those meetings.

Anyways as I stated, I have lots to share.

In the following sound bite, you can hear how Randy would consider civil disobedience and putting other lives in danger.

If you left click on it to play, you will see a small audio player. Just click on the main part or the play arrow to hear it. Or if you hover your mouse pointer over it you will see another audio player which you can click on.

 The New Testament does tell us we ought to obey God and not civil authority, but this is in reference to preaching the gospel. As well as things like abortion and other such matters. We certainly shouldn’t disobey civil authority in canoeing. The problem is that Randy believes he represents God’s will. And you can tell that just from that one instance, but I will be sharing more about that problem below. He also used this example of Reese being the perfect son. This is how Randy’s wants all the members of the church, yes men to him. Because Randy always knows God’s will. NOT!

In this next sound bite Randy shows another method of controlling people in the church. He actually goes into 2, but mainly focuses on 1:

 

You see Randy condemns anyone who questions him. 1st, they represent satan and are disobeying God, and 2ndly their nature is wrong because they represent satan, and need their nature changed. These kinds of tactics keep Randy in the right, and thus disallowing any questioning of Randy.

One has to ask, does Randy obey such “virtues” himself? If he didn’t question others in authority, then why did he leave other denominations and start his own church? You see, for him its okay, because Randy represents God. NOT!

In this next sound bite Randy discusses how in the new priesthood we must submit to God (the changing of this nature):

You can see Randy continues to instruct the people to obey God, and submit to God. Therefore if you want to commit to whatever God is doing, one must commit to Randy!

In the next clip we hear how Randy came to be at God’s right hand and how Reese now is an example of this. Therefore Randy’s will is God’s will.

In the next clip Randy goes into detail about adversaries. If anyone questions God, then they are a tool of satan, therefore if anyone questions Randy, then satan is using them! NOT!

 

So this builds up to what Randy thinks of me. He starts about talking about satan, how satan opposed God, then Randy goes into a discussion about me. Its possible he is talking about someone else, but I doubt it. I don’t know anyone else who gets into details about Randy on the internet. Here’s the clip:

 This next sound bite Randy gets defensive of what I believe is from what I am doing here. As well as making sure any mature believers in his midst don’t question him. While he has uncovered the errors of those who left CiM in bitterness, though unjustly in many areas, he has yet to defend himself of the main points I continue to use on this blog and my website. Listen here:

 

Now is this a technicality or is this God’s standard?

1 Tim 3:2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Titus 1:
6  If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7:  For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

Oh, and if its only technicality to use scriptures to determine who can be an elder why doesn’t Randy ordain a woman?

Why is it okay for Randy to use scripture but not others? Oh I forgot, Randy represents God!

So is it possible that God could resist Randy? Lets hear what Randy says on this:

 

So if Randy was prideful then God could resist him. Thats Randy’s standard right? So lets see if Randy is prideful:

 

That last clip so disgusts me. Others can give place to satan and disrupt what God is doing in Randy, but NOT Randy himself? C’mon! That is terrible spiritual pride! And God thus resists Randy. This is why Randy is pushing and promoting his ministry again. Here is what he claims is what his purpose is in going to Cincinatti:

 

 Jesus spoke about the Pharicees making disciples:

Math 23:

15: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Perhaps this is why Bruce DeLay called them yes men.

It is interesting if you carefully look at what Randy and CiM are doing. Randy still claims he is a “man of blood”. Thankfully Jerry spoke this to Randy. Perhaps I, or someone writing to Jerry was able to get Jerry to speak this to Randy. Here is the clip of Randy talking about it:

 

So if Randy recognizes that he isn’t gonna build the house, why is he promoting his ministry? So others can take over? If thats the case why did he say “may it be so” to Danette’s vision, where she claims Randy will lead the apostolic campaign. Listen to it here:

 

Much of this service speaks of his ministry or the ministry he will be a part of. And that he would return to something he lost. Listen to part one of this:

 

This cry of “Masada” is Randy’s cry that the enemies of Randy will not defeat him.  But if Jesus will build the church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it, why did he fall? Was it demons or did God resist him? And why would he want this place if he is a man of blood? He confesses that being a man of blood grieves his soul and he didn’t want to hear it.

Did you also note how he “dissed” Michael Barret? Anyways here’s part 2 of Masada:

 

You will also note that Randy claimed that God had restored the Prophet 100%. I had been taught by CiM, that of the 5 fold ministry (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers) that the apostles and prophets had yet to be fully restored. Some believe that this restoration will be a part of the Latter Reign, or some call it the Manifest Sons of God time.

Linda prophecies of this manifestation. Listen to the clip here:

 

 In the following clip Randy calls it the manifest sons of God:

 

But what does the Bible say about this time period, when the Latter Reign occurs? when the Manchild manifests?

Zech. 10:
1: Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.
2: … therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd
3: Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah…

You see “they were troubled“, “Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats“, “for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock“?

This is what is going to happen before the latter rain. There must be a purging of the church 1st. Those who preach the latter rain often preach about how the church is corrupt or divided. If so, how can the latter rain come without a purging. Does not scripture say:

1 Pet 4:17: For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

The writer of Hebrews speaks of this event.

Heb 12:
25: See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27: And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28: Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Please note what verse 25 says “See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven“.

So what happens to a christian who refuses to listen to Christ? Who turns away from Him. Is not this what the Israelites did when they were cut off? And then waited many years for their latter reign to come? Thus it is because the church had not listened to the Bible and now were unified that they receive the apostles and prophets. No the time of the manifest sons of God is NOT yet.

Well as I said, I had alot. Thus some of the reason why I was so late in posting this time around.

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http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/05/18/may-18th-service/

Today was the 1st service they aired for awhile. Last week was a rebroadcast, the week before was nothing. And as I guessed they did have their May meetings. I don’t know if they broadcast any meetings, they may have broadcast at least 1, as I have heard they broadcast one service with Jerry Collum speaking. But I didn’t see it.

Today Dwayne stated that Jerry had ministered, and one thing Jerry spoke was that CiM would have to re-dig some wells.

Jeff and Randy were gone. I think they were resting at the church camp grounds.

So my guess and hope that Jerry was not gonna be involved was wrong. If Jerry told Randy as I shared in the previous post (of which you can listen to the sound bite of Randy on it) that Randy isn’t/shouldn’t build the house, why is he supporting Randy’s ministry by speaking there? Unless he hopes to persuade Randy to do what’s right and stop ministering as an elder.

If anyone has a voice to Jerry’s ear or heart, please contact him and ask him to stop supporting Randy’s ministry. You can find Jerry’s email address in my ExCiM Elder Info page.

I did record the service, but will not be posting any sound bites, as there wasn’t anything of any significance.

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http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/jerry-collum-is-dead/

I have heard from 2 sources that Jerry has died of a massive heart attack, and 1 source said it was unexpected.

My heart as well as my prayers go out to his loved ones at this time. While Romans 10 forbids us claiming anyone is in heaven or hell, and cannot know such for certain, it is my estimated guess that Jerry is with the Lord.

Rom 10:6: … Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7: Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

I don’t wish to sound cold or heartless, but does this have anything to do with Jerry returning to Randy? When I was in Marshall there were never any deaths, but after I left several tragic deaths occurred.

Jerry and Randy prophesied the return of their ministry together. In the following clip Randy speaks about how Jerry prophesied that never again will their enemies defeat them:

 

In this next clip Randy speaks how the Former and Latter prophets are now joined together. The former prophets including Jerry and Randy, and the latter prophets like Jeff Arrington.

 

This may seem harsh to some folks, but is Randy speaking for God or NOT? If he is, how could Randy and Jerry prophesy that their ministry together was just restarting and nothing could stop it. Jerry knew and told Randy that Randy was a man of blood, here is Randy’s confession of this event:

 

But yet Jerry continued to minister with Randy. And Randy continues to try and build his ministry. What’s the result? Death.

Harsh judgment or reality? You can hear from Randy’s own mouth what he prophesied. I haven’t posted last Sunday’s service yet. Had alot of work this week, but their prophesying that a time is coming that nothing is stopping what their doing, and any voices of opposition will just dissipate because opposition is of the essence of time, and their now entering in to no time “eternity”. I will share more on that perhaps this weekend.

Randy is a danger. Those who yoke with him are in danger. The people of CiM need to leave. The authorities are not gonna step up to the plate and shut CiM down. The best your gonna get is a letter from a former Church in Marshall elder uncovering Randy, which can be seen through links found here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/a-letter-from-an-ex-elder-of-cim/

And read Clarence’s Hill’s letter here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/meeting.html

I know I can stand before God, knowing I contacted Jerry and warned him. I hope others did. It appears to me, that the warning manifested in his discussion with Randy about him being a man of blood. Just talk, no consequences. Well, we can’t out run consequences. They will reap.

I am not speaking condemnation here, I am talking about consequence. I discuss the difference here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/consequence-vs-condemnation/

And if it weren’t for the grace of God, many more would be dead. Those canoe trips are a tempting of fate.

1Pt:4:17: For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

The writer of Hebrews speaks of this event.

Heb 12:
25: See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27: And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28: Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

May the Lord be with Jerry’s family and loved ones. And may those in CiM have eyes to see the danger, and the faith to act.

God Bless.

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http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/2-services-1-message/

I never got to comment on last Sunday’s service. And had a chance to do it today as well as today’s service. Glad I did, as they are very connected. But saddened that this occurred over Jerry’s death. And it shames me that today’s service mentioned and centered around Jerry’s death but I never heard any condolences by anyone, only grief that their attempt to raise him from the dead was resisted. But I get ahead of myself.

Last Sunday was important. Important because they prophesied their own foot in their mouth, as well as what they did the week prior. Randy began to prophesy last Sunday that they had entered into the 3rd and final administration. This administration is perfect and will not be harmed or stopped by anyone. And more importantly he says that God will reunite Randy with those whom he had worked with before, implying Jerry. Listen:

 

Randy and CiM believe they have entered into a non-time time.  Into the eternal administration. Because they have entered into the eternal administration death will not have any power or effect (this was prophesied 5 days before Jerry died). Listen to the next clip where Randy describes overcoming even death:

 

That clip was so full of pride, I believe it may have been a catalyst to the events of death. What’s sad is that it became even worse today. Which I will get to down below.

Before I get to today’s service, lets hear how Jeff jumped on the bandwagon and prophesied how those who speak lies about CiM will come to nothing as well, and he also prophesies an increase of people coming to CiM:

This last sound bite from last Sunday goes more into detail about the stopping of time and how it relates to Randy, CiM, and their new administration:

 

Today, I wondered if they would respond to my comments here. And listening to the service they seemed to focus on 2 things they were trying to combat. One may be against what has been said here, listen:

 

As noted in other posts and clips Randy claims I and anyone who uncovers him, represent satan. Hence why he thinks I am trying to steal God’s word. Randy’s word is not God’s word, as he claims it is such as here, which he spoke today:

 

Even after Jerry’s death, they are claiming they have entered into the perfect administration. Thus why they believe Randy’s word is God’s word. Listen to this clip about the perfect administration spoken today:

Randy speaks even more about why the voices of opposition will not have effect, because CiM is in the perfect administration and thus are done with any “dealings”, no more correction, no more submitting to anyone. Listen:

 

And so, Jeff comes up later today, and says any error Randy has done is ok. Unless Randy agrees with satan intentionally. Listen:

 

And so Randy now believes he needs not submit to anyone, he is no longer under tutors and governors. They have arrived. Listen:

 

As I stated above there seemed to be 2 issues they were dealing with today. One may have been what has been said here by me, the other was the reluctance and resistance of other by them trying to raise Jerry from the dead at his memorial service. Some who didn’t hear the service may doubt this took, place. But listen for yourself:

What’s sad is that Randy joked about it and laughed! How rude to Jerry’s family. And to make it worse, he seems to belittle the dead. He gets the congregation all riled up, and then encourages their obedience with a promise of reward by God. Listen:

Many have seen how violently opposed the folks at CiM can get especially the administration. Here is an example where Jeff confesses this need:

 

 The reason they believe they have to be so hostile to those who disagree with them or correct, besides the fact they think they have arrived to the perfect is because they also believe that God put us in a hostile environment. That is not true. Adam and satan caused this not God. While God does indeed want us to fight the fight. Our warfare is with principalities not personalities (people not demons). Here is Jeff speaking about this:

 

Eph 6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Randy and CiM had taught me to be a hunter of men, but Jesus taught His disciples to be fishers of men.  We are to woo people to Christ, not manipulate them, give them the cold shoulder of “resistance”, or hunt them with the prophetic sword or bow.

Rom 2:4: Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Jeff spoke about the prophetic weapons they use, in the link earlier.

In this next clip, it appears Randy is trying to reach the congregation from what has been shared here. part of which you heard above, but this clip has more:

 

By him saying they heard it (the proverb) within the last month implies what I been saying here that Randy’s prophecy’s are not of God.

This next clip is another quite prideful message from Randy, denying anyone who claims Randy doesn’t speak for God. And he goes onto claim EVERY prophecy will come to pass:

 I thought that was a very powerful and exposing clip of Randy. He continues here:

 

 The next clip goes back to the problem of them being so violent and hostile. This next one Jeff admits to allowing the breaking up of marriages:

 

So what has happened? They are claiming to be perfect, despite that Jerry has died. Yet they believe God will fulfill all prophecies, including those about Jerry. Thus they are believing Jerry to rise from the dead. Not sure? Listen here:

 

Perhaps, you might think, this is not a literal raising of the dead? Jeff says its a literal here:

The proof of whether or not Randy is speaking for God lies in the evidence of all their prophecies coming to fruition. And since they are claiming its in the now or near future, and not prolonged, we don’t have to wait long.

Now to come full circle, where did Randy come up with the revelation they had arrived at the perfect? Your not gonna believe this. It came about that Randy had several broken watches. Don’t believe it? Listen (the following comes from last Sunday’s service):

And he speaks more about this at the end of the service:

 

I think I will address one more issue. One card that Randy and his administration plays, which they didn’t use years ago, is the miracles surrounding the ministry. They make it as evidence of their authority in God. The following clip is from today, but Randy did mention it briefly last week as well, and I believe it took place 2 weeks ago. Hear about this tremendous sign and wonder that took place:

 

I have mentioned this before, but Randy himself used to say that miracles don’t prove anything because the gifts of God are without repentance:

Rom:11:29: For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Randy would speak about ministers who lived in sin, and would perform miracles, he also taught how some would preach bad doctrine and still perform miracles. I will give you an example myself.

Back in 1989 after I was born again and spirit filled, God told me to move to Marshall, and I first refused. (Yes God did indeed call me to CiM, but my sin was staying too long, once I got there, He called me to go to school, not to stay there), Instead I moved to Florida with a friend. When we arrived to the town in Florida, we decided to see the beach before anything else. Remember I was now in disobedience to God, I was in the wrong state where God wanted me. When we arrived at the beach. We saw 3 water spouts heading toward us. I don’t know anything about water spouts, whether they can go on land or if they are dangerous or not. But I felt threatened and immediately prayed for them to dissipate. They were interesting to watch, but a bit scary to me. And sure enough 1 water spout dissipated. My friend heard my prayers and told me to stop because he wanted to see the other 2 water spouts get closer. But I was concerned and prayed more, and a 2nd water spout dissipated. Now my friend started to get a bit upset and told me to stop again. But I didn’t, but I did pray quietly and the last water spout dissipated.

I experienced several miracles in my life while I was in disobedience. Including healings. You can read about such miracles in my life here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/testimony.html

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http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/cim-on-the-defence/

I never thought it would come to this. I never thought CiM would go on the defence as they have today and the building up to this day. I never thought anyone, certainly not me, but only Jesus could bring about this. Well, I believed Bruce DeLay could have done this if he would have continued. As I have seen how effective he was when he went public about CiM and Randy.

Today Jeff spoke to the congregation while Randy was away on another canoe trip with some folks. Lets pray the people are protected from the dangers Randy brings.

Jeff started out by discussing what true sonship is. Listen here:

 

Well since they didn’t raise Jerry from the dead, they are now in that valley Jeff speaks of. Jeff is on the defensive and is telling CiM that God is still with them. But God is with us no matter what.

Mat18:12: How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

Heb 13:5: … he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

And as I share on this page:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/consequence-vs-condemnation/

Randy can remain close to God, and have a relationship with God despite his errors. This can be done through the work of Jesus by seeking forgiveness and mercy.

But the errors I uncover are errors that remove Randy’s eligibility of eldership. Eldership is given by man based on qualifications God gave in scripture. Thus no matter what sins have been committed, the presence of God, the gifts of God can continue.

Rom:11:29: For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

So even if Randy disqualifies himself as an elder, he still retains his doma gifts. And as I stated in my last post I believe, miracles are NOT a validation of any ministry, as I obtained miracles when I was in disobedience.

Jeff went on to say that a true son is one who goes about doing that which pleases God. I am not here to argue about sonship, salvation, giftings, or that sort with Randy and CiM. I am here stating Randy is disqualified as an elder.

But it’s interesting that Jeff has watered down his stance on what is of God. Listen here:

 

So everything is okay for them, all sins and mistakes, because they are in training? But what about the fact that CiM has entered into the perfect? And has overcome even death? Listen from what was said only a couple weeks ago, before Jerry died:

 

And here is where Randy says that even death won’t stop their ministry:

 

You see they are getting all wishy-washy. Years ago, things were more black and white in Marshall. In fact they had prophectic songs about black and white. Randy used to say miracles did NOT validate. Years ago, they never said the perfect made mistakes and was uncorrectable.

Mistakes and sin are ok with Randy and CiM, if they say its ok, and they say that the source is not from satan, as they claim my sins are. And so they spoke about me in more detail today then they have ever have yet:

 

Now we can know for certain they have been talking about me, because it was they refused to marry me that I left CiM. It is interesting that while they keep an eye on my website and this blog, they misrepresent me. I have stated that I am glad they didn’t marry me, oh sure I was upset when I left. But later I was glad I didn’t get married to the girl from Marshall and also believed I found my error and sin because of the whole conflict. My sin was that God had told me to go to CiM for school, but I stayed 2 years after I was done. I was NOT supposed to live there.

And me bitter? Now that’s funny! I was despised and kicked off a forum of ex-CiM members for telling people to forgive Randy. I state over and over again, those who have been wronged by Randy must forgive him. And not only that, many of my teachings are based on the foundations of what I learned at CiM. I am not bitter, I am grateful for what I gleaned at Marshall, but that doesn’t mean that I, nor God, will ignore the scriptural mandates of eldership qualifications.

Called to judge? I have never claimed that. It was CiM that taught me that we are our brother’s keeper. I am doing this because God’s breath is on it. It is evident by the people who have thanked me, evident by the number of visitors this blog and website get. I don’t judge. I discuss the difference between consequence and condemnation here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/consequence-vs-condemnation/

I have tried to give this ball to others, but they won’t take it. And the fact that CiM has become so defensive that Jeff had to speak in detail about me in the service today shows the effect of God thru this ministry. When I was at CiM, the church never spoke about folks uncovering Randy in such detail.

Jeff goes on a bit later in the service to discuss how I will be judged:

 

Unlike Randy, Jeff, and anyone else who stands in their example, I look forward to correction. I welcome any and all to correct my doctrines and teachings. I have had to make changes to such from forum debates. I have learned truths from discussions with others. And when and if I die and stand before God, I want Jesus to tell me where I have erred. But you see, Randy and CiM, are beyond correction. They don’t want it, and believe they are beyond it:

 

Because things are no longer black and white, they cannot distinguish the difference between condemnation and consequence. This why they also refuse to deal with the specifics I bring up, as the scripture say about eldership qualifications, and why they misrepresent me. I am not sure if its purposefully or not, but they are purposely warning CiM to stay away from me, as Jeff does in this last clip from today:

 

Jeff starts off by thinking he’s got me by the throat (or satan, but since he thinks I am representing satan), if you go back a few posts you will see how Jeff (and or Randy) prophesied that nothing will stop or hinder CiM, they think any voice uncovering them will be silenced. But in actuality their prophecies are manifesting in the reverse. The prophesied death will have no effect, 5 days later Jerry dies. They prophesy that voices like mine will be silenced, when in fact since then this blog has broken its record number of visitors twice!

Then he compares me to a dog, because my words bite. Lets see how violent Jeff’s words are:

Jeff ordaining divorce:

 

 Jeff says God put us in conflict:

 Jeff speaks about slaying people who come against him (prophetically/spiritually):

 

The numbers of wounded who have left CiM are many. My words may seem sharp to CiM administration, because I show that Randy’s eldership is disqualified. I go to the root, without judging Randy’s salvation, gifts, or other manifestations of his walk.

My words may seem bitter to the ears of those who take Randy’s word as God’s word, or bitter to those who believe that elders should never be uncovered even when scripture tells us how and when to do it.

Then Jeff claims I want to cut people off from the purpose of God. That statement alone is a verification that they believe that Randy’s word is God’s word. Bruce DeLay said years ago that Randy told him if Bruce wanted God’s will, Bruce would have to do what Randy said.

I want people to know Randy’s word is NOT God’s word. Randy said just a month ago that every prophecy they have spoken will come true (check previous post to hear it yourself). That includes the beating of death, that includes the silence of my voice. Yet Jerry died and my blog gets more visitors. Randy prophecies from his soul or from demons. I will not say which, because I don’t know. And once again, miracles do not validate any words from Randy.