The 1st 2 October Meetings

The meetings that I so far have watched and listened to, have been pretty unremarkable. But there are a couple of things I want to share.

In the Sunday nite service I have one clip I wish to share. Randy discusses how he had the spirit of error the last few years. Listen here:

It is so interesting that when anyone uncovers his errors, they are quick to say that certain quotes were not prophetic, or give other excuses. But later they come back and admit they were in error. And then they will claim their error is/was God ordained.

Interesting enough, in the last service I listened to, which was the Monday morning service, of which I will share more of below, but don’t have the clip for this comment, Randy confesses that he will leave the Church in Marshall if he ever goes back to just doing church. He also has stated, at least 2 or 3 times, including once in these meetings at least, that he is looking forward to his latter years being more than his former years.

This isn’t going to happen. Not unless he submits himself for correction to someone like Bruce Delay, Michael Barrett, or Clarence Hill Sr. for a season or two.

Randy just uses his skills and psychology to wiggle out of his errors, and continues to promise CiM and his followers greater glories that never seem to arrive.

I also only have 1 clip to share from the Monday morning meeting. And this is a

Warning to South Africa!

Randy is going to South Africa again, and is planning to destroy more churches there. Listen here:

You see, he thinks he has the right to destroy in the name of God. Let’s say that he does find some churches out of order in South Africa. Is he supposed to rip them apart from the top down like the gentiles? Or is he supposed to teach them in meekness from the bottom up, so they can change themselves?

Mark 10:42: But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.

1 Cor 4:21: What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

Gal 6:1: Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

2 Tim 2:25: In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Titus 3:2: To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

James 3:13: Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

If others operated like Randy did, then someone would come and sit Randy down by force. I wonder how well he would handle that? Oh, that’s right he disowned Clarence Hill Sr. and others he had submitted to when they brought correction.

Randy has gone to Africa before and wrecked havoc. Calling a minister’s wife a vessel of Jezebel or satan, causing divorces, family break ups, and church splits.

Now he is planning to do the same again!

WATCH OUT SOUTH AFRICA!

One of Randy’s favorite authors speaks about this subject. Watchman Nee talks about ministers going to other countries and causing problems. Local authorities should be involved in this matter, and all should be done in meekness from the bottom up, not the top down.

When Paul saw that the elders in Jerusalem were in error about making Gentiles submit to Jewish law and custom, did he go in there and remove authorities? No, in fact he submitted to their idea even though that idea did not seem to come down to us as a Biblical standard to follow. That was, a list of don’ts for Gentiles to follow. Do the churches today follow any such list? Did Paul preach that list elsewhere? Not that we know of. But he still submitted to the church authorities and didn’t cause any major divisions.

I am catching up on past content. You may want to read the next post below.

Randy and Occult Practices?

This next post is from the service where Randy speaks about his dad’s death, as well as the deaths of others he has been involved with as well as death itself.

In the 1st clip, we get more information about Randy and John McManus. The clip gives evidence that there were things John disagreed with Randy on. And also gives evidence to the error of his submission to Randy. Listen here:

Why would John who had issues of disagreement with Randy on, and didn’t want to discuss with him about, seek Randy’s authority to make sure his death was quick? I ask the same question about Jerry Collum, why did Jerry say Randy was a man of war and then minister with him?

This next clip is very interesting. Randy speaks about talking to 5 people on the phone before they died:

If Randy calls you because you have had some differences, I would highly advise not recognizing Randy’s eldership and tell him so, yet forgive him. Submitting to his eldership could be dangerous after such a phone call.

The next clip is absolutely horrible but revealing. Randy practically admits to occultic practices. He speaks about talkng to his dad after he died. Listen here:

Many many protestants discuss how it is occultic that Catholics talk and pray to the dead. It is unbiblical. I know of only 1 place where 1 man tried, and was killed for doing so.

1 Chron 10:
13: So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; 

Saul died for 2 sins. The 1st was for not destroying the city and everything in it like God said, and the 2nd for trying to talk to the prophet Samuel after he died. Interesting enough is that the sin of rebellion is the same as the sin of witchcraft, which Samuel had said to Saul after the 1st sin.

You can read about Saul’s attempt to talk to Samuel after his death in 1 Sam 28:3-15.

Randy goes on to describe this incident as being weird. And I learned from CiM, I think from Ray Bade that weird means demonic. Listen to Randy talk about this weird experience:

I looked up weird for myself. Here is what I found:

Webster’s 1828 Dictionary:
Skilled in witchcraft

Merriam-Webster online dictionary:
1st definition:
of, relating to, or caused by witchcraft or the supernatural

Randy then goes onto teach about death, and what we can do about it, based upon a revelation, not by studying it. I would very suspicious of that source.

Here is the list of those people Randy named who he contacted via phone before they died:

Wesley Stillburn?
Herb Ezell?
Chuck Treat?
John McManus
Jerry Collum

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Update:

I should have known that the topic of talking to the dead would be controversial. As most Catholics accept it, and more and more protestants do as well. But I would say most Bible believing protestants would think it is not Biblical and would still be in the majority.

But is it a matter of majority? Is theology based on votes? No. My question is, why is speaking to the dead so common today, and yet there is no example of it in the New Testament? Why did Jesus not speak directly on the issue since it is so closely tied with occultic behavior?

The answers I believe is that scripture tells us that the world is getting darker and that sorceries will be more common place in the end times.

2 Tim 3:13: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Rev 18:23: And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Earlier in time, demons manifested through elaborate schemes, and magicks, now they manifest boldly without them.

The New Testament doesn’t speak about it, because it was not a common occurrence and is eluded to in other scriptures in subjects that discuss similar matters.

Experience does not teach us what is of God and what is not. just because 100,00 christians may have had experiences talking to the dead, doesn’t mean its ok. The Bible says even the elect can be deceived. The Bible speaks about familiar spirits.

Before I left Marshall, I was getting depressed, and I didn’t handle the way the administration dealt with me correctly. Once while I was angry I was drinking some wine. And while I was drinking it and a little tipsy I knew that the girl I wanted to marry was going to call me. That foreknowledge was not by God, and within a few minutes she called me.

Experience with this type of foreknowledge did not make it okay and of God. It was demonic manipulation to get me further into negative feelings and actions.

Do we judge matters by experience or by the Bible? If experience is equally authoritative then Joseph Smith was visited by an angel. If the Bible is authoritative, then Joseph Smith was visited by a demon.

Is Mormonism of God, man, or demons? Scriptural principles say its of demons.

Talking to the dead is not of God and is not Biblical. No matter what experience says.

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I have been behind in my posts and am catching up. This may mean more posts in a short amount of time. I suggest reading the next blog entry below.

Catching Up

I have not posted anything from the last 3 Sunday Morning services. This is from various reasons. Primarily because there was nothing of great import. However there was some minor details that were noteworthy and there was also the October meetings this last week as well. This was the 1st time since this blog started that I was able to either watch or record almost all of the meetings. Today I went back and listened to most of the services I had recorded and found some interesting stuff to discuss. I may have a series of posts to do all this. I also relistened to the 2nd Sunday service again and found something fairly important to share. That was the Sunday Randy came back from his dad’s funeral. Then the Sunday after that there was no morning service because of the meetings starting that night.

In the 1st Sunday of the last 3 weeks, Dwayne Shultz ministered. There was nothing of any major significance to report but some minor stuff. I even made recordings of it to share but decided not to. Instead I will briefly discuss it.

Dwayne near the end of the Praise and Worship time, started singing in tongues which spawned more spiritual songs and some prophecy I believe. Then Dwayne turned around and shut Judah down. Now I have seen Randy do this, and even in like manner, but only when Judah was not going in the same direction as Randy. I have also seen Randy do it less abruptly for other reasons, time restraints and other reasons.

What is of note here is that in Dwayne’s own ministering afterwards he ministered from what came after his singing in tongues from those that had prophetic song or word. So why would he stop what he believed what was God?

The answer I believe is that he is representing Randy’s administration of confusion. Randy is not operating by God, but by skill and technique. Some of which was revealed to Randy by God, but without His inspiration it then becomes religion. Sadly Dwayne’s own message was about hearing from God and working with God. But yet he didn’t seem to be doing that himself.

It is obvious that the Holy Spirit is not choreographing the services. Which is a similar fruit to why they would spend time talking about me and my blog and website in other occasions.

In discussing the CiM services with someone recently, the discussion turned to the fact that Randy and CiM often speak about how when 2 or more are gathered God is there. Then they also state that God’s presence validates. These 2 statements contradict each other. Because other believers who have error gather together and have God’s presence as well. Does that mean God validates Catholicism, Lutheranism, or other denominations? No. God shows up because of grace, NOT validation.

Comment

Someone who disagrees with me left a comment on my blog. I won’t quote her comments because she speaks about a former elder of whom I cannot speak for publicly. Hence I deleted the comment.

She however believes death is not a consequence of sin any more. (Speaking about Jerry’s death)

Paul says other wise:

1Cor:11:30: For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

I suggest anyone who has issues with other elders who have separated themselves from the CiM administration contact them personaly as I have seen them repentive of the things they did.