In January of 2007 Randy Shankle came out preaching a pre-trib rapture. I discussed this when it happened here:
http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/uncharted-territory/
and in a following week, here:
http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/10-virgins-the-oil/
In some recent letters to other former CiM members, and with the evidence that Randy may have had some meetings centered about them getting on board the ship (his apostolic ministry perhaps) and that being inspired by reversing what I had already said about him, that he is steering them off coarse and ship wrecking the Church in Marshall. As well as comments by him stating that what I say is a reverse prophecy of God by satan (see my post about this here: http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/sailed-away-and-shipwrecked/ ), and as also discussed in a recent email, Randy also had stated that I was a man of God who once preached Jesus and him crucified, and now preach Randy Shankle and him crucified, listen to his comment here:
While that comment was a negative one, it also shows he had some respect for me, otherwise he wouldn’t have called me a man of God who preached Jesus crucified. I also had been saying for years that Randy had fallen into his own prophesied trap of not following the Cloud of God and becoming a stale camp. Years ago he would spend time either at Doma Dome (possibly now turned into a church campground) or his prophet’s den in his barn, before a meeting to get revelation.
I know many times, including his teaching on the Merismos, that that came from other men of God. But which he received more revelation on the subject. And that’s cool, because we are to build on the apostles and prophets, there are no new revelations and truths, we only build upon that which has already been laid.
But for awhile now, years really, Randy has had no such new expanded revelation. Just regurgitated manna or fleshly error or demonic error mixed with old bread from heaven. So I wonder when he began to look elsewhere. And if he acknowledged publicly that he can get revelation from his adversary by using the reverse of what I say. I wonder if he used my rapture teachings over 2 years ago, from my website. I have no problem with that if he did. It just shows that he lost his connection with God. The gifts of God are without repentance. So he can be in sin, have teachings from other places, and use his God given gifts to pump and promote it.
Anyways this post isn’t about him using my teachings if he did. But the fact that he did preach about end times, Revelation, and the rapture. And as noted in my original post on the subject, that just wasn’t done at the Church in Marshall, and was even frowned upon. In fact many who left CiM before that changed hold that position still. Tim LaHay and Jerry Jenkins who wrote the Left Behind series state that because many pastors refuse to teach on end times stuff, that some people tend to know more on the subject because they go to other sources or if they don’t know more, they go looking.
This universalism that has crept into the church even has affected Bible believing churches into ignoring certain subjects, particularly end time stuff, out of fear of saying a mystery which hasn’t been fully revealed and making a mistake, out of fear of offending folks who don’t believe or wanna believe, out of fear for their wallets, and so on. All out of fear.
While it is true that teachers and preachers will be held accountable for bad teachings, God still wants us to preach. Nothing is certain in christianity except Jesus and Him crucified. Our entire belief system is based on faith, not fact.
This is why I state the following on my own Tenet page from my website:
http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/tenet.html
15. Everything I teach and believe is by faith. God made it so that we need the church and ministers to teach us doctrine. The Bible is not meant to be a handi-book of easy to read doctrines. The doctrines must be dug out and taught. For this reason, ministers will receive a stricter judgment. While many of my beliefs are accepted thru most of christendom and many of my more “rare” teachings are from a handful of ministers, I have gleaned many truths from many different sources. One of my favorite sayings is “a broken clock is right 2 times a day”. One of the baptisms in the Bible is called the Baptism into the Cloud (1 Cor 10:2). This baptism is God’s calling the church to follow after Him. This is often results in the restoration of doctrine and theology. The Reformation is a prime example of this. What often happens tho, is man follows God to a lost truth then makes a camp there, refusing to follow God further. We can glean truths from such stale camps, but should continue to follow God ourselves.
Isa 28:10: For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
1 Cor 13:12: For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1 Cor 2: LITV
2 For I decided not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ, and Him having been crucified.
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Hence we must go out in faith on some teachings, but wait, isn’t it faith on all teaching? So some teachings take more faith. I wish I could find it somewhere, I have a tape where Jeff Arrington prophesies over me that I have the charisma of faith. If I ever do, I will post it. But it is true, I have the charisma of faith. And just as they taught at CiM and discipleship concerning the other gifts, teaching is the same thing.
Gal:3:5: He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
But is faith some mysterious thing with an unknown source? Where does faith come from?
Rom:10:17: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Even Bruce DeLay has not come out publicly on end time teachings. Many times in emails he refused to discuss with me what he believed. But has condemned a pre-trib rapture. He says he preaches from Revelation in some of his services, but won’t tell me what they are, nor does he put them on his website. And when I share that Math 22:1-13 shows us the wedding feast is in heaven. Luke 12:35-40 shows us that Jesus will return for the church left behind, after the wedding. These are Biblical statements. Bruce won’t read them literally. He believes they are allegorical. Perhaps, but Sir Isaac Newton said:
“About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition.” Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727
This is another difference between Bruce and I. I believe in taking the Bible literally in every instance unless the text tells me not to. The reason I believe this comes from one of Bruce’s own teachings. Called the doctrine of the Nicolaitins. Found here:
http://www.church.sierra-vista.az.us/church/tst/nicolaitanes.htm
That teaching states (comes from Revelation) some will split the church into clergy and laity. Bruce is against that. However, any time one takes a passage of the Bible and forces it’s interpretation to come from special knowledge (sometimes called gnosticism) then you create laity. God does not want truth to be something gleaned by special knowledge. He wants us to be able to pick up the Bible and know Him and His ways. So Bruce says you have to go to college to understand some parts of the Bible, that you can’t read some parts literally. That causes a division between clergy and laity. When we all are priests before God. So I believe Newton was right. Many argue today about taking the Bible literally. And a line has been drawn, those who oppose a literal reading and those who believe in a literal reading. Newton’s prophesy of that fact came true. Another interesting thought is, if you don’t believe in reading some parts of the Bible literally, who decides which parts? That again creates a hierarchy in the church which God hates. God hates the doctrine of the Nicolaitins.
Rv:2:15: So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
I love Bruce, he’s an awesome man of God and a good brother, but this is where I differ with him, and why I told him that even the Old Testament prophesies that the end time shepherds are going to fail, and even though he is a good pastor, he is part of a broken system. So when I had that discussion with him I wrote the following blog post:
It’s a popular post and one which I may make into a permanent page.
A lot of times, folks don’t want to believe something in the Bible as literal, because it goes against the tradition. And these folks might not even be Catholic, but we must remember all humans like tradition, not just Catholics. We have to break tradition, if it interferes with God’s word. If the Bible says that the wedding is in heaven and then states that Jesus will come to the earth after the wedding, then that means a pre-trib rapture is true. That is a literal reading of the Bible.
Bruce argues that a pre-trib rapture has caused many christians to be lazy. Perhaps. But does the fear of counterfeit money make us stop believing in real money? People can misuse any doctrine, and until recently I fully realized the rapture isn’t about escape but is about judgment. A small recent revelation here.
I knew that the rapture wasn’t an escape, because I teach a partial rapture, seen here:
http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/prepare.html
And I also knew that judgment was falling on those in the church left behind and they will become the latter rain here:
http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/latter.html
But I finally put 2 and 2 together and realized the rapture is about judgment. And while I preach a coming judgment on America, judgment must begin in the church 1st. The judgment on America is an end time thing, and therefore the church must be judged 1st.
1Pt:4:17: For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
So under this understanding, there is no concern that the rapture is about escape, because it’s about going out of the frying pan and into the fire. Jesus is going to purify His church before His wedding.
Folks from CiM have been very resistant against end times teachings, especially those who left before Randy started preaching a partial pre-trib rapture. But do a little research, how many people actually preach a partial pre-trib rapture? Not many. Yet I preached it before Randy, do you think he was motivated by those teachings? Unfortunately he mixed it with dead works and other error.
Two main points I am trying to address are:
1. All teaching requires faith. No need to avoid end times teaching because it requires it.
2. We must take scripture literally or else we create Gnosticism or the doctrine of the Nicolaitins.
This does not mean I don’t have error. I am quite certain I do. I am going on faith. But I am going. I am looking forward to the day when we see clearly and prophecy will end. But that day hasn’t come yet.
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