I wrote anwers to the allegations that everyone who has a gripe with Randy must personaly meet with him, around 9/7/2006. The following is a cleaned up rewritten version of that…
If 500 people have fulfilled Math 18 would it have no bearing on any who came afterward? That each person must accomplish Math 18 themselves? That would be missing this verse:
16: But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
It only takes 2 or 3 more to become established and before you get to verse 17:
17: And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Jesus does not say that each member of the church must duplicate this process, once the process has been completed. I would understand it would need to be repeated if the person in error received the correction and those correcting him didn’t have to complete the whole process and then the accusation came up again. Paul goes onto say this:
Rom 16:17: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Do we really expect Paul is requiring that each person in Rome to do what Jesus says in Math 18 individually before doing this marking?
If we really believe that, why didn’t Jesus say that. And why doesn’t those who believe I or anyone else who is error about uncovering Randy take 2 or 3 more to us privately before taking this public like they have on other forums or elsewhere? Wouldn’t they need to obey it to us as well?
Lets go back to the 500 people who must confront Randy. Do we really think Randy will submit to 500 individual appointments. Then 500 more with multiple witnesses? And do we think it is just and right that Randy runs about unmarked until those 1000 meetings takes place? How many meetings makes it established? Doesn’t scripture say only 2 such meetings?
No, this is ridiculous, and anyone who believes such has a problem in idolatry holding Randy to a level as untouchable, and yet hypocritical if they judge those whom they disagree with, if they haven’t followed their own rules on this matter.
This process not only is extra-biblical but is unlogical, and nearly impossible to accomplish.
What is the point of taking it to the church? Is it so the accuser gets to be part of the club of being able to mark the one in error? Because that’s what this logic/doctrine leads to. Or is it so that everyone can mark him because its been established?
That position also would create 2 camps within a church. Those that could openly discuss the accused and those that cannot. Isn’t that silly? They would have us to believe that Clarence Hill and any other person which held a meeting with Randy with other witnesses and have publicly come forward to make that accusation known, would be the only ones who can actually do the marking of Randy.
There is no earthly way beyond heavens help to have all Randy’s accusers meet with him privately 2 times.
Could this be a local rule only? That would mean that Randy could sin against people who are not at CiM and those people would have no ability to bring correction. (How about the divisions he did in Africa?) You also would have a man marked locally but could move on and would not be marked. No, if someone is marked, it is extra local. There is no scriptural support that such things are local.
An elder must be blameless, period.
