I will attempt to give an accurate account of the events that have led up to this Blog, without rehashing my own testimony with CiM. If you want to read that, check it out here:
http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/role.html
I also want to include as much detail as I can of the events of others that have helped build the foundation of this project and ministry.
I had my current website up and running Jan 4, 2001. But that website, which is still in operation, but much more advanced, was the 3rd website I had made. My 1st two websites were with AngelFire:
http://www.angelfire.lycos.com/
I was with AngelFire before Lycos had it. But after even my 2nd go with them, I was tired of all the secular ads, and decided to get a real website and did so. I have severe doubts that I had any information about Randy or CiM on either of those 1st two websites, but I may have, but I can’t find any evidence that I did.
I think, somewhere between 2001 and 2002 I started a page on the Church in Marshall. It was very neutral in presentation because I had not known all that had transpired after I left including Gloria’s death. And it was quite short. I listed some error, but gave them praise as well. But I recontacted Bruce DeLay at that time and began to learn all what had taken place. I also was contacted by someone who had lost a spouse to CiM. The spouse moved to Marshall while this person had never been there. This person had found my page and heard of me I think through Bruce.
I began updating my page on Randy and CiM. I also learned that several members from CiM were meeting on a forum at the Marshall News Messenger site. I believe this occured in 2003. I do not know when others had begun meeting there. I went several times there, but not a lot, maybe a 12-25 times at most. I did meet some old friends from CiM there. And some of us began emailing each other. Including Bruce DeLay and the ex-CiM member who started the forums for us exCiM members.
And that’s how the idea came about that we should start our own forum. And I did so, without knowing that someone else had done the same. Mine can still be found here:
http://pub42.bravenet.com/forum/3600302985
Bravenet, I am quite sure when it started, was a christian business, and thus why I used them. The forum format was ok, but not the best. My forum never was very busy but has had a few visitors over the years. Once or twice I tried other forum formats and had even some people visit one of them, but I shut those down. They weren’t getting enough people. In fact I gave up the original one as well, but since it never got deleted, I still have access to it and sometimes it gets used. It still gets high search engine ranking, so I keep it going. So even if folks don’t post on it often, a lot of folks are reading it.
Bravenet however has since gone secular, and you get an advertisement on it when you first visit it. I remember contacting Bruce when I got it up and running around Aug 2004 and invited him there. He told me he had already been to the forum and was using it. This confused me (because he hadn’t), and then discovered the other forum. Which he thought had been started by me, but was started by someone else.
The other exCiM member forum began July 23, 04, my birthday, without me knowing about it. And I made my 1st post there on Sept 14, 2004. Nearly 2 months after it had started.
There were about 5-8 regulars on it at that time, including Bruce, the person who created it, their brother, and a few others. Everyone was an ex-CiM member (or affiliated with Randy or CiM) except one person who found us from the Marshall newspaper forum.
One of the people on the forum was an elder or minister who was connected with Randy or CiM, but I never knew this person, though Bruce may have told me and I forgot.
A couple of the people there; not including me, Bruce, the other minister, nor the non CiM person, were very hurt and unforgiving, and resented the way I began telling folks to forgive Randy as soon as I showed up. Little did I realize, until this very week (June 08), by reading an article from Michael Barrett, that broken hearts can’t be refilled, until they are healed. You can get more info about Michael and his article here:
http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/excim-elder-info/michael-barrett/
I also was very quick to post my website. While some folks believed it was for the idea of building my ministry, it was just my love for the wounded and wanting to help them. Thus until I read Michael’s article I didn’t realize they couldn’t be taught until they were healed.
And so shortly after I started posting there I stopped, because of this hostility toward me by a few people. I think I didn’t even last 2 weeks. But after a couple more weeks or possibly a month I went back. Bruce had agreed that forgiveness was indeed needed by those hurt by Randy, and no one who was hurt ever seemed to attack Bruce, unless they were a pro-CiM person. The wounded seem to have more grace for Bruce, he makes an awesome pastor.
During the next months it came to me that my website had a very high search engine ranking, and while I thought the forum was a mixed blessing, not quite manifesting all good stuff, I did believe it was helpful, as Bruce and others did, and posted a link to the forum from my page on Randy, which sent many new members to it. Some people came by personal invitations by those who already were there, but all other new visitors came only through my website as search engines did not ever point anyone to it, and no one else ever linked to it. That’s when I realized that an ex-CiM elder could write a letter to the public and I could host it on my website, and it soon came to be. Learn more about this here:
http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/a-letter-from-an-ex-elder-of-cim/
This letter helped many people, and some of them came to the forum, many didn’t, but more of them emailed the ex-CiM elder for help and advice.
Then in May of 2005 I received an email from someone who thought they were one of the two prophets from Revelation. I remember Bruce or Randy speaking about someone like this who thought Randy was the other prophet from Revelation. I don’t know if this was the same person, but they were not quite right in the head. And they threatened me. If I was single it wouldn’t have phased me at all. I already had enough harassment being a christian webmaster, I didn’t need anyone threatening me or my family. So I decided to pull the plug on my pages of Randy on my website, and take off the link to the forum for the safety of my family.
Interesting enough, the people from the forum, supported me. One person was upset I would submit to the wishes of this crazy person. This was the opposite reaction I had from some of the forum people before. It touched me, and eventually, especially from Bruce’s wisdom, and his confronting this person through email, I decided to keep at this ministry.
Things went well on the forum for awhile. Relatively, I should say as there were always folks who were bitter. Bruce and a few of us would minister to them. I rarely was able to help the most wounded, but Bruce always seemed to calm them and encourage them some how if even just a little bit. But many of the people were no longer followers of God’s word. Many who became less bitter and somewhat healed turned away from christianity. I don’t know the percentages, but the forum did seem to be a magnet for the this type, while those who emailed me at my website seemed to be those who sought after God. I have had very few negative emails, compared to the negative attacks I had on the forum.
One thing that bothered some folks, was my method of communicating on the forum. I already had several years of forum discussion experience and developed a style I used. Those most bitter and hurt didn’t like it. They also didn’t like when I did any teaching. Even when the owner of the forum created a place for teaching. And interesting enough some of the people who opposed me, found the forum through my website.
Eventually another incident occurred which I discuss at the above link, where someone wanted to sue me for linking their website on mine. Rather than rehash it here, just visit the link above to read about it.
In the end I have to agree my initial response was wrong. I was too interested in rights, rather than what Jesus would have me do. In the end I listened to wisdom and took off the links. My unwillingness before I changed my mind caused some very negative and hostile responses.
But then the Oklahoma meeting took place. This was a meeting initiated I believe by Clarence Hill Sr. A man whom Randy had submitted to, I believe the 3rd of such attempts of doing such (that is 3 men whom Randy had submitted to). He was pulling several elders and ministers together with Randy to discuss the problems Randy had caused and had become.
Even the leading up to this meeting caused quite a stir in the forum, and folks seemed to be nicer. Except by statements made by some ministers who visited the forum and someone from CiM who had visited the forum and was still pro-Randy and pro-CiM.
There was debate about whether Randy could be but on display like this and was questioned whether Math 18 should be followed, or if it was being followed properly and so on. Again mostly from ministers and elders who were on the forum.
That debate continued after the meeting took place, but then shifted to the result of the meeting. The forum waited several days if not longer to hear what happened, and then when we heard, there was disagreements by the elders what had happened. But all that dissipated about a month later when Clarence Hill sent out his letters.
That changed the arguments back to the original one of whether the meeting was appropriate or not. One which was targeted to me by some elders, who thought I didn’t have the authority or right to uncover Randy. And those discussions are what created this page:
http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/can-randy-be-accused-publicly/
and the arguments I write about 1/3 down the page one on my website, here:
http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/role.html
But shorty afterwards, I asked Bruce to send me a copy of the letters, as he offered them to anyone who wanted a copy. Then shortly after getting them, I decided to publish them, if I could get permission. So I contacted Clarence Hill Sr. myself, on phone and asked. He agreed, but he asked who I was, where I got them, and details about what I was doing and such. And so you can read his letters here:
http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/meeting.html
Publishing those letters has helped a lot of people to get answers.
Shortly after this, I decided to create this Blog. My website had become quite large, though only about 5 pages deal with CiM and Randy, but the site has over 50 pages I believe. Once I tried an email newsletter for my site, but I didn’t have much news, and not many regular visitors, but I did get about 100 new vistors a day. So a newsletter wasn’t appropriate for me or my visitors. My 2nd attempt I tried a news page. That worked for awhile, but was too clunky. That’s when I learned from someone who was a friend from CiM and was on the forums, that they had a blog. I had heard of blogs, but never knew really what they were. But I decided to investigate them and see if it would fit my need for my website. And presto, here we are.
Since my website is more doctrinal, and less speculative and less commentary, the blog would be more appropriate for such things I sometimes discussed. Hence while my website has only maybe 5% on CiM and Randy, the reverse is true on my blog, Here it makes up 95% of the content.
So in Aug of 2006 my blog was started. And just as I had started in the forum, I made the same error again. I posted my blog entry at the forum. This was right after some of the elders who disagreed with Randy being in the public judgment, did not at all like my new ministry. Didn’t matter if Bruce and others were happy with Clarence Hill and the meeting results. And those who were bitter and unhealed jumped on the band wagon and were all over me harshly for this.
If Bruce was unable to persuade these folks, nor Clarence Hill’s letters, then by me trying didn’t help. But unlike Bruce, I wouldn’t stop and demanded that these men of God answer those scriptures and Biblical principles I have shown on the links I gave above. That’s the kind of demand however that those who were bitter and stopped believing in God’s word caused them to get hostile, and start name calling and cursing. When that occurred the elders pulled out, and the bitter people came out more. There weren’t a lot of them, just 2-4 or so (the forum now had many visitors), but they were very vocal. And my scriptures couldn’t help them and I had not the wisdom which I have gotten from Micheal Barrett’s article I found this week about the broken hearted. And somewhere around Nov of 2006 I made my last post there at the forum. I have went back to post a couple of times. For example I posted the link to Randy’s confession of Jerry telling him he was a man of war. But in essence, in Nov of 2006 I stopped participating on the forum. But look at the following comment by Bruce DeLay and the date he wrote it:
In my opinion – This forum has done it’s duty and fulfilled it’s purpose. Now it has come to the end, and deserves a decent burial. – 12/8/2005 5:54 pm
Sadly Bruce, as well as myself kept posting after 12/8/2005. Bruce said the forum was a valuable tool, such as this comment:
This Forum is proving to be a key part in a multi-faceted strategy of the Lord. It has been putting the “heat” on things for a good while now. It talks about issues that were never verbalized in the past. People are reading and considering another side of things that was never before presented…This forum has allowed people to speak their hearts. I’ve had people contact me recently – expressing their frustration with me over my lack of control over what is said on this forum… DUH! I have NO control over this – and would Never desire to control it. Religion has made it hard for them to assimilate this. Old-order Church Leaders are accustomed to holding all the cards. In their world, they stand behind a pulpit for hours, talking and talking – unchallenged by the peons in the pews. They go home to a protected environment where phone calls are not answered and mail is thrown in the trash. They carefully select with whom and where their private meetings will be. THERE IS NO VIABLE DIALOGUE in their life – not even with their own family. This is the state of the modern Autocrat in todays’ churches in America. They are so insecure about their authority and leadership that they must carefully control everything around them. But as they keep seeking to save it – they are surely losing it.
He also knew, as I have stated, the forum was a mixed blessing. Here is a comment of his about it:
I have watched many people change as they have become a part of this forum. That has been a very positive thing. And – Sometimes the forum has taken a bad turn – gotten hateful or too personal. That is to be somewhat expected when real people are hashing out the truth and trying to be Heard for the very first time. When you’ve had no outlet to speak about a subject that is so strong in your heart – you can go overboard trying to spit it all out…! But even when this has happened, it did not negate the overall truth. It just meant we had to tighten-up a little and get back on track.
While Bruce has posted after he said it was done, he also has stated time and again HE WAS DONE with this type of ministry. Such as these comments:
I have completed my effort of informing people about RS and CiM. God is telling me to move on. I was amazed at how many people from all over the USA and the world contacted me – primarily saying the same thing – ‘Thank you for saying what we already knew, but were unwilling to admit to ourselves. Thank you for giving specific examples and detailed info which made it impossible to talk ourselves out of believing what we knew, but couldn’t believe.’ I am done. I have ‘told it to the church’, I have marked, avoided, and even warned’… Now I’ve got more to do…
The problem is while this forum was done, the work was not done. Thus while Bruce still participated after 12/8/05, while he has posted recently and others have also (though very few and seldom), he kept going feeling this need, despite saying he was done and the forum was done. There is a still a need to help those hurt by Randy.
After I left, in Nov 06, I removed the link to the forum from my website and while I expected them to get no new visitors (and they haven’t and can’t except by word of mouth), I did expect more dialogue by those there. But its all but dead. As Bruce had said it should be buried.
But Bruce knew there was another project afterwards. Near the beginning of the forum, the owner of the forum asked Bruce:
Ok, I’ve had it!There has to be something we can do, besides meet in here and compare notes. I mean, do you see us all, 2-3 years from now, still just talking to each other and sending condolences to some new guy who pops in and says they took his wife too?
Bruce answered:
NOW You have stepped it up to this level – touching the lives of many people, specific people, shedding the light in a dark place…People from all over the world comparing notes and confirming events/situations that RS tried to make you think was just ‘your imagination’, demonic lies, or your rebellious soul? Wow – we must keep in mind how far things have already come in a short time…I have not heard from the Lord regarding specifics on how to proceed from here – other than a couple of general things…You could go back thru all the teachings and prophecies and debunk each one – teachings with scripture, and prophecies with the lack of actual fulfillment. But that’s a full-time endeavor!
I think there was another post, but can’t find it, but nothing specific, but there was talk of what other plans might be. I even had one, that was not implemented. But in this comment by Bruce we see him discussing uncovering the errors of Randy. Instead of doing this from the past, this blog does the present. I comment and uncover Randy’’s errors in the present. But I have uncovered some of Randy’s errors from the past. But there are many between my time there, and when this blog started that have not been uncovered, except at times on the forum. You can read those I uncovered from the past here:
