Manifest Sons of God exposed

Someone just contacted me, and am guessing they follow the manifest sons of God movment.  

I am gonna go over this email and uncover the errors there. This is to expose the enemy within the camp. The enemy are demons, not men. Their intent is to undermine scripture or its equivalent doctrine. 2 fold reason:

1. It brings about what is needed for the New World Order – peace by destroying any standard of God, being politically correct and making all equal, sinners and saints alike

2. Taking away the power of the church-the Word of God

The email will be the content in blue.

your posture toward randy is no less that of a ” man of blood ” than his

If one reads here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/why-do-i-do-this/

Point #8 and reads here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/consequence-vs-condemnation/

one can see I do not condemn Randy.

he’s no more of a false prophet than every other gifting in the body including you. it’s clear that you both find your identity in a gifting and that’s the problem…some said he was a prophet,some said he was a great teacher. but peter said he was the son of god the christ. men today want to be recognized as a prophet or an apostle andthey want to promote others to find their identity in a gift and/or gifting. it’s only when we find our identity as a son that the gates of hell will not prevail

I took the beginning and end of his email to deal with that subject. He, like many today deny the existence of the doma gifts. Thus when I call Randy a false prophet, it doesn’t matter what qualifications I use, even if their Biblical, anyone claiming they are a doma gift is equally false to this guy because they all are false. None exist.

I also want to add, though I do state I have a doma gift, I do not promote it. It’s for the reason of the pride of man, I do not name what doma gift or gifts I have. The title does not matter. But denying it exists is equally wrong. Scripture is clear they do exist.

Some info from my page here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/doma.html

Eph 4:
8: Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
11: And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

These are the doma gifts, the ascension gifts, or sometimes referred to as the 5-fold ministry. The word doma comes from the greek word “gifts” in Eph 4:8. These doma gifts did not come into the church until Jesus ascended (read verse 8). Before this time, there were apostles, prophets, and teachers, but they were not doma’s. They were gifts from the old covenant. 

I would like to give another scriptural witness to the ascension gifting: 

Math 28:
18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

This is what Jesus said right before He ascended, commanding the apostles to fulfill the job of the doma’s, described below (just after he lists the doma’s in verse 11): 

Eph 4:
12: For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

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Let me ask, have we come to the unity of the faith? Eph 4:13 above.  Does the church still get carried away with winds of doctrines? Eph 4:14? Do denominations still exist? Therefore it is clear that the doma’s still exist. Revelation tells us of 2 coming prophets as well, so we know that doma’s will continue to exist until the earth is judged.

giftings promote governors and tutors and a performance based identity that entraps both the gifting and those exposed to it in a place of immaturity. it promotes the pursuit of prophecy and knowledge. this creates an atmosphere of always looking for something better than what already is.

Are governors and tutors scriptural? Lets look, from my website:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/doma3.html

Church government is not a government of democracy, but Jesus, Himself, is the head of the church.

Eph 4:15: But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ 

Isaiah 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 

Church government is an actual scriptural position as seen here:

1 Cor 12:28: And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 

And to make it more interesting this is most likely from the following gift:

Rom 12: 
6: Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us…
8: … he that ruleth, with diligence… 

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While we all are high priests, and all can reach God without a mediator, because Jesus is the mediator and God, we have access to God. But we still need to be trained and discipled. Later in his email he states:

this place of sonship is a transformation of identity not character.

These apostates tend to like Randy, but when they can’t get him to cross over to the manifest sons of God movement, they move along with out him. But at least Randy promotes character development through discipleship. But you see that’s why the manifest sons of God movement is connected with Universalism. Everyone is gonna be saved, so it don’t matter how you act. While these folks tend to be ulta conservative and do act morally, they don’t believe its necessary for the attainment of perfection. We all are gonna get there anyways.

You will note he begins to talk about knowledge and that of what is (present tense). I will uncover more of that next. Here is more:

this is what happened in the garden. they thought that by partaking of good and evil that they would be like god and that life would be better in the future. the deception was that they were already like god and already living in a perfect world. the giftings are promoting this same deception. if we just have another word or if we will just be more obedient then god will bless us.

It’s hard to dissect this because he bounces around. You also have to have an understanding of the manifest sons of God, and their code words. Many sects have words that mean something special. This sometimes is to throw off orthodox (normal) christians. But sometimes is similar to what Randy does and uses special language to bring across a certain teaching. Anyways what I believe he is reffering to here, is the idea that the law or Bible is an thing that is not absolute. A friend I knew who fell into the movement described the Bible like an onion. It has layers. But if peel off the layers you never really find the onion, it takes a revelation to understand what the onion means. Here I agree with Constance Cumbey and many Bible scholars. I quoted  some folks here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/interpret.html

“Scripture interprets Scripture.”
–John Calvin

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Dr. David L. Cooper, the founder of The Biblical Research Society, was proficient in the Biblical languages. He studied Greek under Dr. A. T. Robertson.  Dr. Cooper is known for his “Golden Rule of Interpretation” which is as follows:

When the plain sense of Scripture

        makes common sense,

        seek no other sense;

Therefore, take every word

        at its primary, ordinary, 

        usual, literal meaning

Unless the facts 

        of the immediate context,

        studied in the light 

Of related passages and

        axiomatic andfundamental truths

        indicate clearly otherwise.

[This rule was published regularly in Dr. Cooper's monthly magazine, Biblical Research Monthly.]

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If God be the originator of language and if the chief purpose of originating it was to convey His message to humanity, then it must follow that He, being all-wise and all-loving, originated sufficient language to convey all that was in His heart to tell mankind.  Furthermore, it must also follow that He would use language and expect people to understand it in its literal, normal, and plain sense.  The Scriptures, then, cannot be regarded as an illustration of some special use of language so that in the interpretation of these Scriptures some deeper meaning of the words must be sought. [Charles C. Ryrie, Dispensationalism (Chicago: Moody Press, 1995), 81.]

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The Clarifying Statement on Dispensationalism, published by the New England Bible Conference, says it this way: 

The Bible must be interpreted literally which is the way language is normally and naturally understood. We recognize that the Bible writers frequently used figurative language which is a normal and picturesque way of portraying literal truth. The Bible must be understood in the light of the normal use of language, the usage of words, the historical and cultural background, the context of the passage and the overall teaching of the Bible (2 Tim. 2:15). Most importantly, the believer must study the Bible in full dependence upon the SPIRIT OF TRUTH whose ministry is to reveal Christ and illumine the minds and hearts of believers (John 5:39; 16:13-15; 1 Cor. 2:9-16). The natural, unregenerate man cannot understand or interpret correctly the Word of God. The things of God are foolishness to him, he cannot know them (1 Cor. 2:14), and his mind is blinded (Rom. 3:11; 2 Cor. 4:3-4).

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Sir Isaac Newton was onto this end day problem:

“About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition.” Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727 

Newton prophesied this very debate. He said there would be 2 groups of people:

1. a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation

2. the midst of much clamor and opposition

So which of these 2 groups, which do exist, do these folks tend to be? Remember he prophesied these 2 groups hundreds of years ago! Newton was a scientist who studied prophecy. He knew that the truth of the end times would continue to unfold the closer we got to the real deal. But this truth is not upon prophecy alone but is on ALL scripture.

Scripture must be taken literally or else it is not divinely inspired. It’s an all or nothing thing.

So this guy writing me is claiming that the New Testament is offering the same knowledge that the Tree of Knowledge offered. You see he’s pointing to that onion philosophy again. If you corner these guys they will say the Bible came from God, but they also will say it takes special knowledge to understand it. They speak of that knowledge as the present truth. It’s that sonship thing, a step farther than Randy.

While it is true some christians run after camps for the next “word”, some have a camp mentality. Often that may not even be a word, or it may be a repackaged word. But sometimes God has a word for the church, because they are stuck at an old level, and aren’t growing. But you see that goes against the mentality of the manifest sons of God. There is no growing. We have it already. That’s why they don’t believe in tutors and govenors, nor doma gifts.

So they think we are after the same thing as Eve from the wrong tree! There are 2 trees. One is the Tree of Life, and that’s God’s word. It brings revelation. The other is the Tree of Knowledge. It brings death.

 sowing and reaping is a performance based identity that is the curse. in the kingdom we can only receive. in the kingdom we enter into our fathers rest and reap what we’ve not sown. if we discern that we are sons then we are not condemned with the world. as sons we are no longer subject to the law of sowing and reaping which derives from good and evil. we are only subject to his chastening. the giftings in the early church laid the foundation. we should be building upon what they’ve already laid. we’ve entered into their labor. and what we’ve tried to do is duplicate what they’ve already done. we should be in a place where ” they shall not teach every man his neighbor and every man his brother saying know the lord. for all shall know me from the least to the greatest.”

You see that are taking the Faith Movement to far. They are claiming to have arrived at pure sonship, without discipleship. And everyone’s is gonna get it, whether they try or not. You see how he completely disregards the New Testament order, claiming it’s complete. We know it’s not complete because these things were not fulfilled:

Eph 4:

 13: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

What gets even worse, is not only is he bypassing the church age, he bypasses the 2nd return of Christ:

 the son of man as alreay returned and he came as a thief in the night. he’s been in us and we have not even known it. the return of the son of man is sonship in our humanity. the perfect already dwells in us therefore prophecy and the pursuit of knowledge can cease. when a man as been awakened to ths reality then his field is blessed and the witness of god is forever present. the witness of god is the synergy of the blood the water and the spirit. the blood is my conscience that affirms that i am a son the water is the woman creation that is liberated from bondage to be one with me and the spirit is the presence of god. any spirit that denies that christ is not already in our humanity is the spirit of error. any gifting that promotes performance and/or something to come vs. what already is is the spirit of error. this place of sonship is a transformation of identity not character.

There is alot of things wrong there. But lets start with something simple. Did Jesus 1st appearance manifest literally as the prophecies foretold? Yes. Then so will His 2nd! Lets take scriptures and prophecies literal. Otherwise one needs special knowledge of scripture to glean truth. And God does not operate that way. I recommend reading all my page here on that subject:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/interpret.html

Some highlights:

When dealing with scripture, 1st you must take a stand. Do you believe it to be inspired fully or not? It’s an all or nothing thing. Anything else causes the Gospel & Bible to become a nice Bed Time story.

2 Pet 1:16: For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

We must also realize this truth:

2 Tim 3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

Scripture must be taken literally or else it is not divinely inspired. It’s an all or nothing thing. This does not mean there are not parts that are not literal. In such cases the Bible tells us…

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I also suggest this page:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2007/09/11/a-major-source-of-division-how-to-understand-scripture/

Gnosticism states one must have special knowledge to understand scripture. There are different forms of this today. One common one, especially amongst denominationalism is education. Many state that the common man cannot understand scripture unless he goes to college.

This is bogus, I am not sure where I learned the following, it may have been from Watchman Nee. In his book “The Normal Christian Life” he discusses the 2 works of the cross…

I think Nee states that in college the deep courses/classes deal with Romans and the work of the cross. But yet, that knowledge should be the standard of the normal christian. Not the educated elite.

Secondly, many believe certain passages in scripture should not be taken literally. This also is a form of Gnosticism. Who decides what is literal and what is not? Then those who decide such become a type of priest that all the other laity must submit to. This is a form of the doctrine of the Nicolaitins. Turning the church into 2 classes, priests and laity. When the church is really made up of everyone being priests.

When scripture is made into symbolism, then it cannot be used for doctrine, and only used for good vs bad. In other words they become bedtime stories to teach morals to people. If that is so, then the gospel itself has become a bedtime story…If one man can say a certain text is a story, then another man can say the gospel itself is. And I know such men! People who believe that life of Jesus is supposed to inspire us to be good. And that’s it. Bogus!

2 Tim 3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

Many many people take certain scriptures and tell me I cannot use them for doctrine. Baloney! All scripture is profitable for doctrine, all. Of coarse we cannot take verses, such as when satan says he will overthrow God, and make it into a doctrine. The balance is scripture itself, not special knowledge, not education. If a doctrine from scripture is countered elsewhere, then we must evaluate our interpretation of that verse. Obviously when we read the Bible we see that satan will not overthrow heaven. It is not consistent with the Bible.

But we must be careful here. Some things are not as obvious. For a long time the people did not know salvation is by grace, and were taught it was by works. While scripture tells us the matter, it isn’t as obvious as satan’s defeat. Or how about the number of New Testament baptisms? That’s even less obvious.

Many truths were lost in the dark ages, and we are still digging more out of the Bible. Just because we don’t know about something, or our church doesn’t recognize it doesn’t mean its not true. That is determined by scripture itself.

To base if a doctrine is true by comparing to whether the church has embraced it is very very poor. Why? Here is why: Eph 4.

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So many groups, including the Manifest Sons of God, claim to have special knowledge. While they hate doma leadership, it requires leadership to have that revelation! Who told them to substitute literal scriptures with some mystical understanding? Leaders.

His use of the word synergy in his email is one of those mystical code words, also used by the New Age. The Manifest Sons of God movement may be christian in basics, but it’s been corrupted by the same demons as those involved in the New World Order. And notice how he says if we deny that Christ is not already in our humanity we have the spirit of error. Christ is in the humanity of those who accept Him. And it has nothing to do with the humanity. That’s the same sin of the catholics who claim that Mary had something special, and was without sin. There was nothing special about Mary’s humanity. And none of Christ came from her flesh. And none of Christ in us is connected to our flesh. But He does reside in earthen vessels. So its an auto defense by them, when you deny certain beliefs, they close up, and mark you as one who is after the Tree of Knowledge. Yet they cling to their doctrine not on scripture but on special knowledge.

jesus said who do men say that i am. some said he was a prophet,some said he was a great teacher. but peter said he was the son of god the christ.

Some of these guys believe that Paul’s letters were more inspired. I am not gonna get into that debate here. If you wanna learn how the Bible was put together read here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/inspired.html

But I will share this:

http://www.bible-researcher.com/canon1.html

Gradual and independent definition of the canon by elders. In the year 367 an influential bishop named Athanasius published a list of books to be read in the churches under his care, which included precisely those books we have in our Bibles (with this exception — he admitted Baruch and omitted Esther in the Old Testament). Other such lists had been published by others, as early as the year 170, although they did not all agree. How did the men who published these lists decide which books should be called Scripture? Scholars who have studied this matter closely have concluded that the lists of books are merely ratifications of the decisions of the majority of churches from earliest days. We are able to prove this by examining the surviving works of Irenaeus (born 130), who lived in days before anyone felt it was necessary to list the approved books. He quotes as Scripture all of the books and only the books that appear in the list published on another continent and sixty years later by Origen. 

It is evident that the elders of each congregation had approved certain writings and rejected others as they became available, and it turned out, by the grace of God, that most of the churches were by the year 170 in agreement, having approved the same books independently. Prominent teachers were also influential in this process. About that time bishops began to prevail in the Church, as governors of groups of churches, and they simply ratified with these lists the results thus arrived at. The approved books were then called the “canon” of Scripture, “canon” being a Greek word meaning “rod” or “ruler.” These books constituted the standard rule of faith for all the churches. We must not imagine that the canon was imposed by ecclesiastical authorities. The canon grew up by many independent decisions of elders who were responsible for their congregations alone.

Here is the end of his email:

it’s only when we find our identity as a son that the gates of hell will not prevail. i don’t enjoy writing this but i’m so grieved by what i’e been exposed to involving the conflict between you and randy and yet i know it’s just the tip of the iceberg. i don’t want any response from you, i just hope that you would have a more clear understanding where men like randy are at.

Not much else to say here. Except he is reffering to his special knowledge when he hopes I will have a clearer understanding.

And since I am uncovering the Manifest Sons of God movement here. I might as well strike down their universalism doctrine as well. I wrote the following webpage for a dear friend of mine who actually introduced me to Randy’s teachings, when he became involved in the manifest sons of God movement. He has since passed away, and have a blog entry on that as well, but the webpage is here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/wrath.html

I will post the highlights here:

They discovered that all creation will be brought to God. However, their conclusions of this truth are wrong. Of which I will show shortly, down further. Let’s look at the verses that the Universalists like to preach on:

Rom 5:
18: Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19: For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Universalists claim Jesus died for all. Just as humanity died in Adam. This is absolutely true. But this gift must be received. In truth, those who go to hell or the Lake of Fire, don’t go for sinning, but for their refusal to accept the gift of salvation by Jesus, because the price of their sin has been paid. Since they have rejected Christ, but they are still paid for, the Father takes them.
 

1 Cor 15:
22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
27: For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28: And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Yes, Jesus will subdue all things. But this doesn’t mean willingly. Some will be forced into submission, into God’s wrath. Which I will discuss further down the page.

Col 1:
19: For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20: And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Yes, God will reconcile all things. As I said above, some will be unwilling participants.

1 Tim 2:
4: Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5: For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Yes, God wants all to be saved, but He also gives them free will to say no.

1 Tim 4:
10: For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

The secret to this verse, is the word “specially”. All will be brought to God, but the special ones, will be going to heaven, the others in His wrath.

Eph 1:
10: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

It is through Christ’s work all things will come back to God. Some forcibly against their will into the wrath of God.

Phil 2:
9: Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11: And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

One can see a demonstration of this happening unwillingly in the christian movie, “The Omega Code 2: Megiddo”.

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The christian church for years has preached the fate of the unbelievers will be the eternal absence from the presence of God and the Universalists see correctly this is wrong. But the Universalists incorrectly believe that all will turn to God or be made righteous. Both are untrue. I will now show how all creation, specifically the unbelievers and demons, will come into God. This is done, because the Lake of Fire is God. It is His wrath in full measure.

Let’s look at some scriptures showing God is fire, and specifically part of God is the Lake of Fire:
 

Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God. 

Deuteronomy 5:24 And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire…

Deuteronomy 9:3 Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them…

Psalms 68:2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God. 

Ezekiel 22:31 Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath…

2 Thess 1: 
7: And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 
8: In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 
9: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. 

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 

What is concluded from these scriptures:

1. God is fire (at least in part)
2. He can speak from His fire
2. The wicked will be punished in the presence of God and in His Fire, which thus is the same thing
4. This Fire of God is also part of His Glory
5. This Fire is His Wrath, and the Lake of Fire is His Full wrath

We can easily see that God’s presence is fire. And we see that the Lake of Fire is God’s wrath. God’s wrath is God’s presence. But those who are judged unto eternal torment will see this, while those saved will see His love. Both are equally God: Love and Fire. 

I know many christians don’t want to believe the Lake of Fire is part of God, but if it is not, then won’t there be a place in existence that has not been put inside of God? Then do not the Universalists have a valid point in the verses I shared above? The Bible is clear ALL creation and all things will be put in God. It’s just that some folks think it means all will be in heaven, heaven is not the only place in God, so is His eternal judgment of wrath:

2 Thess 1:
Darby:
  9: who shall pay the penalty [of] everlasting destruction from [the] presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his might,

LITV:
9 who will pay the penalty: everlasting destruction from the face of the Lord, “and from the glory of His strength,”

And the clearest version of this verse yet:

Jubilee
9  who shall be punished with eternal destruction by the presence of the Lord and by the glory of his power,

I just discovered this Jubilee version, while making this page. I believed it to be “by” His presence before I ever saw that version. It is His presence and His glory that will perform the eternal destruction. Destruction is eternal, thus they will never be undone.

The Lake of Fire is God. 

Randy Shankle, Bruce DeLay, Constance Cumbey, and the anti-christ

Recently I began doing some internet searches on Randy again. Because there have been some dealings I can’t discuss yet publicly at this time. And as I was about to do a search on Google on Randy, I accidentally allowed Google to do an auto search on the terms “Randy Shankle cult”. I think its cool that the Google folks have made such an automatic search term available, but it doesn’t pull up any real relative info, just Googling his name brings more info. But anyways I did find the following blog link:

http://cumbey.blogspot.com/2005/04/more-on-eric-jon-phelps-aka-eric-jon.html

The blog page discusses the Jesuit/Catholic conspiracy with the new World Order on Constance Cumbey’s blog. I never heard of her. But below the article, someone whom went to CiM, and whom I had dealings with, discussed here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/excim-history/

started a discussion that went sour, below the article. The person unnamed here, owns a website I used to link to, whom had a fit when they discovered I did. Anyways, Constance mentions Randy to him, and how he was under his spell and such. You can read it if you like, but it’s not very important or interesting, but does give evidence this guy just isn’t quite operating normally.

I emailed her yesterday asking what she knows of Randy, but haven’t heard back. Today I went thru the discussions under the article and emailed her again, about what I am doing on my blog and such. And I also talked about how I deal with the new World Order information.

She links to a video on her blog describing how she began and learned about the New Age movement with the New World Order. Here is the video:

And you know, I am not here to condemn her efforts. And perhaps like Bruce, her true intent may not succeed, though I am not certain what her intent is. If she wishes to stop the movement she will fail. If however she wishes to help people know the truth and come to God, and flee the occult, new age, and the New World order, then she will have limited success. If she wishes to do something inbetween and try to narrow down the political pieces of the anti-christ for either revelation or to stop them, she will have little success.

The anti-christ is gonna come. There is no stopping that. Trying to is actually hindering the return of Christ, because Christ will come to stop the anti-christ. But until that time, God grants the anti-christ power to do what he’s gonna do, and even over christians! A point Bruce refuses to believe. But here it is:

Rev 13:7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

And while I cannot condemn Bruce either, efforts made by folks like Bruce to politically oppose the New World Order will not succeed:

Dan 11:
14: And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
15: So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.
16: But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.
33: And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34: Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35: And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
36: And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
40: And at the time of the end…

It is appointed and prophesied that the anti-christ will rule. Opposition to it (the New World Order) or him (the anti-christ) will fail. This does not mean that I give in to evil, endorse sin, and so on. We continue to oppose evil personally, but not governmentaly. Paul did not oppose Rome. The christians were not instructed to do so in scripture. The Old Testament gives us an example of when a nation has come to be judged, we do not oppose that judgment.

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/gov2.html

Jer 27:
2: Thus saith the LORD to me; Make thee bonds and yokes, and put them upon thy neck,
5: I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.
6: And now have I given all these lands unto the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.

The yoke of Babylon is ordained to come. If you oppose it, scripture states that the sword or imprisonment may be your fate. The New Testament has a calling for those in Babylon to come out when it’s time of judgment comes:

Rev 18:4: And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

You can’t come out if your imprisoned! And those who died fighting her actually call out for vengeance against her, and still God tells them to wait:

Rev 6:

9: And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11: And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

I discuss more in detail about the wars in America to come propheticaly here:

 http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/prophecy.html

and part 2 here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/prophecy2.html

Personally I do not believe Bruce will be killed nor imprisoned for his work, when things escalate to civil war. I don’t think he will be here. That is those who have crossed spiritual Jordan will be raptured before hand. But Bruce inspires those who have not crossed Jordan to be the force of opposition when that day comes. Though it is not his intent directly, he would prefer them all saved, born again and spirit filled, though he does not believe in a pre-trib rapture.

Interestingly Randy Shankle now believes in a pre-trib rapture, and he was discussing such almost 2 years ago, before things went in a different direction at CiM. A point I am trying to get to.

I discuss the pre-trib rapture and how to be ready for it here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/prepare.html

The point I am trying to get to, sadly which may upset some readers, is these very details. The theological and doctrinal position about such things.

Some may deny that America is at the point of judgment. I think Bruce denies it, but yet he thinks it’s broken enough to try and fix it. There are many who claim America is beyond the point of no return. I say this propheticaly because I see it and sense it. But a casual observance of our decadence can show this. One of the lowest forms of prophecy shows this. If you are familiar with Jack VanImpe, he prophesies with newspaper clippings. And the news can indeed show how far we have fallen!

And as I said before we can’t fix a spiritual problem with non spiritual methods.

2 Cor 10:4: For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

Perhaps folks like Bruce can show how far our government is fallen.  Maybe that is what God wants him to do. I don’t know I am not Bruce’s bishop. Scripture claims that the last day shepherds will fail. Bruce is not singular.

1 Kgs 22:17: …I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd…These have no master: let them return every man to his house in peace.

Isa 56:11: Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

Jer:50:6: My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away … they have forgotten their restingplace.

Ezek 34:2: … prophesy against the shepherds of Israel… Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves!  should not the shepherds feed the flocks?

Ezek34:8: … surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock

Ezek34:10: …I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

Zech 10:3: Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock…

Some important things can be learned in such verses. A lack of feeding the sheep. A judgment on the shepherds, and on the goats. The goats may be those who are christians but have not crossed spiritual Jordan and will be left behind, not raptured. The shepherds are not feeding doctrine to the church!

That’s why so many don’t like my website, cause its mostly doctrine. Shepherds don’t teach doctrine, or very little or just the basics. This is a result of universalism, a point of attack by the New Age/New World Order. Universalism says everyone will be saved. When the christian community is infected it has 2 results:

1. Some christians no longer believe Jesus is the only way

2. Those who stick with Jesus, become lulled away from the importance of doctrine and truth

This is being pushed by ecumenicalism as well. Which is a form of universalism and satan’s plan to make a one world religion. When everyone is promoting peace and unity, doctrines get thrown out the window! This means the babes in Christ don’t get fed, and those with knowledge forsake it.

I’m not saying doctrine will get anyone saved or raptured, but it does hinder the salvation of the soul: not the salvation of the spirit-2 different things which I discuss here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/soul.html

And a lack of truth allows universalism and ecumenicalism to thrive to usher in the New World Order and the One World Religion. Now, not gonna be a hypocrite and tell folks we gotta stop that from happening by filling the churches with doctrine. No. I am targeting individuals, so that satan won’t have a hold on persons. Not governments. Now if the shepherds would do their job, then America wouldn’t be judged. But since it’s prophesied they won’t, America will fall.

But I am realist with prophecy, we just ain’t gonna get the shepherds to do their job. It’s been prophesied. That’s why the sheep are scattered.

Another point of ignorance is folks deny the plans of satan. And so folks like Constance Cumby uncover them. But to what purpose? Does the knowledge save? I doubt it. The Bible tells us it’s gonna happen. It’s a matter of faith. Some folks however don’t live by faith and need evidence. and so God stirs some to uncover some plans of the enemy. Is it wrong? I don’t think so, I believe it’s unfocused. We each have a call from God. A vision. And when I take up someone else’s vision, it’s like looking through a prescription of glasses not for me. It’s blurred. So I don’t know what God’s call is for Bruce and Constance.

It takes the whole church to do Christ’s vision. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not here saying I got mine perfect. In fact I may have more judgment on me, scripture is clear that those who preach have a higher judgment. And I know there is bound to be doctrinal error somewhere on my blog or website. Thus I constantly look for doctrinal truth anywhere I can to steer me to where God wants me to go. With the Bible as my map. Thus you will often see scriptures backing up my position.

I thinks it’s wrong to spend a lot of time trying to dig out satan’s pawns. Whether it’s the Masons, the Jesuits, the political elite, Skull and Bones, the Illuminati, and so on. Satan can use any of them, and allow any of them to be destroyed. They are pawns, none are vital. The only important pieces are the anti-christ and the false prophet. That’s why universalism is important to satan, and the position of society, so that any pawn can step up and be a tool for the anti-christ to rise.

Constance’s video discusses how Europe is at such a place. She quotes those within the New Age movement who state this.

And on the original blogpage I found, there was some bickering about whether the Jesuits are such a power. It just does not matter. Satan uses such arguments to just lower the acceptance it’s gonna happen with those in the church, because folks who know a little, go way overboard, because they are focused on pawns, and not prophetic truth.

There is plenty of info out there for those who are unknowledged in this area, just be warned delving into that info will get you focused on the pawns as well. Remember:

Eph 6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

So many people try to uncover the pawns, the people under satan’s plan of attack. But scripture is clear, our war is not against people, but demons!

If we were to uncover one pawn, and make it unusable, satan doesn’t mind destroying his pawns and raising another. And I guarantee you no one will uncover all the pawns. Remember God ordained the anti-christ to have power for a season. So you would be working against satan and God. One cannot succeed. In Ezek 8 God shows him the secret people doing secret harm, yet God doesn’t expose them to stop them. He prophecies their destruction and judgment instead.

Satan wants those with the truth to be unbalanced.  So those looking for the truth will pass it by and not see it. We need to focus on God’s plan. Not the pawns of satan, not satan’s secrets.

Rev 2:24: But unto you I say …which have not known the depths of Satan…

And he wants doctrines out of the churches. And he is succeeding. Folks are so interested in peace, and not making waves, doctrines are often despised. Even on the old ex-CiM board, anytime teaching was shared, I was instantly despised.

Doctrines can indeed divide. That’s why there are different denominations. But doctrines can bring us closer to God by understanding Him and His ways.

Despising doctrine for the sake of unity, and to avoid making waves is satan’s plan. It’s a principle of the One World Order and the One World Religion. It’s the false peace of the anti-christ. It’s political correctness. It’s plain wrong. Constance Cumbey states those mature in the New Age movement believe the higher truth is that there are no sides. That Lucifer is going to bring freedom. That freedom and lack of sides is the result of the loss of doctrine, and the false peace that comes from accepting everyone as the same.

The Bible has this to say:

Math 10:

34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35: For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36: And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

Jesus brings a sword. That sword is God’s word. God’s word divides. It divides because people draw lines. They say I will give this much to God and no more. There is a line where they say, God can have this from me, but God can’t have that from me.

Math 19:

16: And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17: And he said unto him…if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20: The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21: Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22: But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23: Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

The Bible separates christians, because we each only give so much of ourselves to God. And when we see the higher calling, the call to the next level of discipleship, that which are unwilling to commit to, we hide it from ourselves, so we can say we have achieved that place where God wants us. And when someone comes along and has given that which we won’t, we become offended and war against them. We will label them as fanatics.

This is why folks hate me. They think I am self righteous. So untrue, that’s why I often expose my own failures, to show I too miss God’s perfect will for me. I discussed this recently here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/the-perfect-will-of-god/

And it makes other folks angry when I admit it. This takes away pride, and the thought one can arrive. Discipleship is a life long journey, and we need to deny ourselves.

This is why doctrines are despised. This is why doctrines are not in churches. World peace, a false one, will be based on this. Remove the standard God wants, then there is peace. A false peace.

Bruce DeLay Update

I have pretty much been inactive with CiM and Randy Shankle, but know that this blog continues to have an active role. I used to regularly check the internet for info about Randy, at least on a weekly basis. I no longer do that, and haven’t in some months. But decided to check it out and see what was happening. And I found a hate website talking about Bruce Delay. The site is so nasty I refuse to link it, and don’t want to give the search engines any more reason to expose them either.

They accuse Bruce being in a group called the Black Regiment. Here is a censored copy of it:

…the Black Regiment is this self-deluded gang that misinterprets both the Bible and the U.S. Constitution to glorify their homophobia, bigotry, andparanoia. They’re charged with inciting acts of violence against homosexuals, immigrants, Jews, andMuslims. There’s less than a hundred around the country right now, but as rightwing extremism grows more are joining. They have to meet their master Chuck Baldwin’s strict qualifications first; like drinking goat’s blood …

Pastor Bruce DeLay

Heartland Church

P.O. Box 819, Cleveland, OK 74020

www.truthinfocus.org/radio

XXXXXXXXX is seriously gonna check into DeLay’s past life with that apostolic cult in Marshall, TX and his buddy Randy Shankle. Must be nice to have been a traveling elder andhave your church provide you with a new woman in every city. What’s that about church leaders there at the cult taking away a man’s wife and forcing her to marry one of their favored? Yeah, buddy! Much more on this one will be coming.

 

A lot of falsehoods mixed with half truths there. I discuss in some detail about Bruce’s political activism here:

 

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/excim-elder-info/bruce-delay/

and I will add another YouTube video of Bruce at a Tea Party rally here:

 

The Bible says this:

1 Cor 5:6: Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Bruce and other christians I know sometimes believe in using a strong hand. Literally and physically. Now don’t get me wrong, he isn’t anywhere near what those folks claim he is. But Jesus was clear:

Mt:5:39: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

I know conservatives who believe in torture. I don’t know where Bruce stands on that now, but he believed in it before. He believed that the government should torture prisoners of war for the safety of civilians.

If we have to protect ourselves from evil with evil, then we are beyond the help of God. Which is why many claim America is beyond repentance and will be judged.

I will post a bit from my page here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/brother.html

 It saddens me in the amount of christians and conservatives who have accepted and even wanted the Patriot Act. Giving the government such physical powers should be a concern. As well as the tendency of the government to use torture.

The use of corporal punishment and other extreme physical preventatives should be minimal and last resort, and not the norm. Does not scripture tell us:

 

2 Cor:10:4: For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

If our weapons are not to be carnal (physical) but spiritual why should such extreme physical methods be the norm in our society and government, or in high use? This obviously is in direct connection in how unspiritual our society is.

The method we should use, should be spiritual as the verse states. This means we should be living by faith. We should be trusting in our God for our protection, not in the powers of big brother in spying on it’s citizens.

why didn’t faith protect us on 9/11? In fact it did protect many people on that fateful day, there are many testimonies of people who did not go to work that day or were not in the building and they should have been. But its the lifestyle of being carnal which allowed such a breach to occur.

I discuss this issue on my FAQ’s page:

Q. Why do bad things happen? Accidents, death… does God kill?

Eccl 10: MKJV

8 He who digs a pit shall fall into it; and whoever breaks a hedge, a snake shall bite him.

I go into more detail answering that question there. Which I encourage you to read. I believe its the 6th question, and about 1/3 of the way down on the page.

I once learned a valuable lesson, “Don’t pluck the fruit, but destroy the root”. If the fruit of terrorism is in our nation, plucking the fruit by physically using all the physical means necessary to get rid of that fruit is a fruitless endeavor, because the tree will continue to bear that fruit. The way to stop it is at it’s root. Otherwise you will need a police state to constantly take care of the bad fruit, which is where this nation is headed.

I am not advocating the the loss of police and military. I am discussing moderation and balance. If we live a society that serves God and walks in the spiritual warfare techniques, then the amount of bad fruit will be minimal, and the use of the physical restraints would be minimal. As long as mankind has the sinful nature, there will always be some need for corporal punishment.

Those who are concerned about the loss of civil liberties, may have a human concern. But in Christ it’s not about our rights, cause we deserve none, we deserve death for our sins, but this is a matter of where we are putting our trust in. (although Jesus has paid for our sins, but we should deny our lives, and live His.) The 2nd foundational principle of Christ is “faith towards God”.

Some may declare, that sure this is all temporary and that they are going to win the nation back to Christ, and until such time, we must use these physical methods. Not true! How can we turn the nation around using physical methods when scripture says our warfare is spiritual!

Many are simply afraid for their children. Well, in whose hand would you prefer to put your children’s safety in? Big Brother or God’s?

It is a lack of faith to trust in torture of the muslim terrorists and the use of the Patriot Act. If this nation has fallen into sin, no police state will protect it. Look at all the great nations that have fallen.

It’s too late to save America, but it’s not to late to save individuals. I discuss these truths and similar topics here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/fall.html

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/thunder.html

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/government.html

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/sword.html

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/gov2.html

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Why didn’t the Jews accept Christ? One reason is they believed He would come as a force and take over. There are prophecies that discuss that, but that is on His 2nd return. We are not to be sons of Thunder. We can’t bring in God’s Kingdom by force, or even by soulish tactics. And politics is certainly soulish. It is not spiritual. It is not a spiritual warfare. If it is, Paul and the christians would have resisted Rome! The didn’t.

But, I am not saying Bruce has crossed the line here. And as I state on the page linked to above, the Old Testament states that the end time shepherds are gonna miss it. Bruce is missing it. However, the OT also shows that there will be a force in the end times that represents God and will stand against the dark forces, but they will be over come in vanity.

Jesus will come instead and defeat the corrupted world leaders.

Is Bruce promoting violence against Homosexuals, Jews, and immigrants? Absolutely not. He may however promoted criminal extremists in prison being tortured for information. He may promote the right to bear arms. But you see he threw in a little leaven. And that was enough for the enemy to make it leaven the whole thing.

Pray for Bruce and those targeted by this hate website (unlinked and unnamed) that they won’t be hurt, nor their families, and pray that they will find balance in doing God’s work, without any leaven. I still maintain that Bruce is the best pastor I have seen with my eyes.