CiM Prophecy on a Deadline

Randy and CiM only have a couple days to fulfill their prophecies about Randy and Jerry having a greater latter ministry together.

What’s interesting is that I have several clips that piece together the details of this prophecy. We can know the time (2008), we can know the who (Randy and Jerry), we can know the what (a latter ministry which will be greater than the former), and we can even know the how (a greater glory, no defeat). We even have clips that death nor time will stop this. So they have a couple of days before we can know for certain that Randy is indeed a false prophet. I wouldn’t be so bold, if it was just 1 prophecy or even 2 with vagueness. But we have details and several prophecies.

The When:

This clip is Randy speaking Jeff Collum’s prophecy that Jerry and Randy will succeed in this in 2008:

The next clip Jerry tells us these prophecies are not a future fulfilment in the sweet bye and bye:

The Who:

This clip is Randy speaking about Jerry being in this latter ministry:

This next clip is Randy speaking about his prophecy about Jerry, Randy, and Jeff ministering together:

The What:

This clip is Jerry speaking about the ministry is not over, but will be greater, have peace, and prosperity:

The How:

In the next clip Randy speaks about the perfect 3rd administration; that nothing will stop it, not time, not death, not enemies, not friends…

Now remember we know Randy isn’t talking about the sweet bye and bye, because Jerry said otherwise above!

This next clip has Randy speaking about Jerry’s prophecy “Masada” where they speak about the enemies will not defeat them again:

At this time (Dec 28th, 2008), at the last time noted, they had a rock on the platform carved with the word “Masada” on it. How can they be so bold to say they have not been defeated when Jerry died?

Randy even tried to raise Jerry from the dead. They believed it was gonna happen even after they did not succeed, trying to stay in faith. I had several clips where they spoke about this attempt. Some would say this raising of the dead was spiritual and not literal, but in this next clip we hear Jeff state it was  literal:

So what happened, is that instead of claiming defeat, Randy got the congregation all riled up in a mob, disrespecting their demonic enemies and Jerry’s dead body, even though Jerry prophesied glories, he got disrespect. Here is Randy doing so, in this clip:

Then Randy even laughed at trying to raise the dead. Listen here:

So instead of the prophesied glories, Jerry got disrespect. Are they still in faith for his resurrection to fulfil the prophecies for his ministry with Randy for 2008? They only have a couple of days left.

So why did Jerry die? I believe Jerry prophesied God would take him out if he didn’t follow the new David’s and leave being and following the Saul’s. Listen here:

Jerry confronted Randy about him being a man of war. Randy spoke about this confrontation. You can find the clip in my archive. Jerry knew Randy had done wrong. I cannot guess why he decided that despite this error and wrong, he would continue his ministry with Randy.

A lot of folks are ignoring these kinds of mistakes, believing Randy has the right heart and the right gifts. There also is the modern problem of universalism creeping into the church. Universalists believe everyone is going to heaven. This kind of thing gets folks to believe doctrinal error doesn’t matter. Some folks don’t think there are absolutes. And there are varying degrees of this. But this manifests in Bible believing churches by the ignoring of error.

My website, blog, and even my forum have testimony of the wrongs Randy and CiM has done, and people have ignored that. This universalism has crept in so much that folks now will ignore the Biblical mandate for qualifications of elders and bishops. And now we have prophetic error. False prophecies! Well lets give them a couple days till 2009 starts and see. Maybe Jerry will rise from the dead and Randy and him will succeed in doing some great ministry in the last hours of 2008.

Lets face it, it’s probably not going to happen, and thus their prophecies were false. Earlier this year when Jerry Iverson contacted me, he made his defence these were not prophecies but were faith stances. Go back and listen to the clips. I have more posted in the archives I did not share here. Jerry and Randy both said in some clips that these were indeed prophecies.

I am not questioning Randy’s giftings? No. Do I question his heart? Some, even Maurice, believe his heart is good. But Bruce Delay has stated otherwise. Stating he deceives. Though perhaps if he deceived so much he deceived himself. But that is a process, a process of hardening one’s heart and conscience.

Do I think he has a bad heart? I don’t know. But Randy himself said he is a product of his parents, being manipulative:

Randy has admitted to having the spirit of error, and making mistakes, and then excusing them because they came from his parents. Is he sorry? Has he repented? That’s the big question. I think he is sorry he got caught. Jeff Arrington stated on Oct 8, 2006 “be wronged, eat it, and shut up” and went on to say if the church or Randy was wrong, it was God ordained. More recently a man in Judah quoted Blaine stating they had the right to be wrong. You can hear that clip in the archives too. I think he/they have the wrong kind of repentance.  Clarence Hill Sr. stated this:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/meeting.html

I went with other sons bound in spirit, and being warned of the things that would befall me, that is, Randy Shankle would give a pretense of repentance and arrogantly take over the meeting; without regard to an apostolic father’s administration. … As it was told me, Randy would give an arrogant display of control and non-submission to my apostolic authority, thus, bringing very little real fruit of restoration (their words were true).

I am fairly certain these words he spoke of were from Bruce DeLay who declined to go to the meeting with this being one of the reasons.

Thus it is witnessed by some Randy has a bad heart. But this is not my stance or direction. I am here showing his error, and his disqualifications. The Bible does seem to say only God knows the heart. We can only guess by looking at the fruit, but there is a lot of bad fruit.

Some of these prophecies came from Randy’s broken watches, PDA’s (hand held computers), and other such sources. Randy stated death would not stop his ministry because Randy had a few watches stop working!

The man is clearly not qualified as an elder. He has disqualified himself and starting in 2009, will be labeled as a false prophet by me. Him being only the 2nd one I have ever labeled as such. Benny Hinn being the other.

Maurice

Maurice:

As far as I know Maurice was not an elder at CiM but I think he operates as one now elsewhere.  His full real name I believe is Frank Henderson.  He contacted me and we have dialogued. I have a page about him.

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/excim-elder-info/maurice/

Actually I tried to contact Maurice several years ago, but never got a response. I believe he was doing an internet search on Randy and found my blog and website and contacted me. He barely remembered me, if at all. I think after we had talked he remembered me more.

Maurice had someone email him a few questions about when do we sound the alarm on Randy, when do we hold him accountable. This was part of his response, which he shared with me:

As far as sounding the alarm, IT’S already been done. Bruce Delay and Steve Lanich have done a great job doing that. Thousands have been and are being helped because of those guys. I tried to hit it from the other side.

I think it’s great he is coming forward publicly, more people need to. But we must remember what scripture says about this subject:

 

1 Tim 3:2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 

 

Titus 1:
6  If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7:  For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

I have never called into question Randy’s doma giftings or calling, but his qualification as an elder/bishop. And I have also already discussed the difference between consequence vs condemnation here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/consequence-vs-condemnation/

This however does not negate other methods of reaching those who have been hurt by Randy or those who wanna reach Randy himself. Michael Barret does an very good job at this in a different manner. And I wish Maurice the best he can to help others whom gravitate to him and won’t come here.

 

Latest

I know it’s been pretty quiet here, but with me not commenting on new services, there hasn’t been much to post. However I have some new stuff to post.

First I hear that people are leaving CiM again, and thats good news, but hopefully they are not leaving after severe damage from divorce or loss of family or other such things. Let’s pray for them. Remember, here is my CiM Survival Guide:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/cim-survival-guide/

I often check the Google search results to “Randy Shankle”, and they recently added an automated response when you type in his name with the term “Randy Shankle cult”. And as of last night, on the 2nd page of results there is a link of model-blonde.fomen.bij.pl/latter-rain.html with a description of:

Religious cults and sects discussion group message board …In the lord jesus christ called randy shankle to bring males into leadership in every area of …

But if you go to the page it will give you a virus! So all of you looking for info on Randy, beware! The page hadn’t even loaded when my anti-virus protection caught it. So I shut the page down without seeing it. I suggest not pursing that link.

But I also found another link, to a christian writers webpage:

https://www.faithwriters.com/article-details.php?id=79170

and this was the content of that page:

I clearly understand the allegation against you Part 2
by Mark Frank
04/10/08
Free to Share

Rom 16:17: “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. “

You have caused divisions and divorces and
You have brought your own will and not
The ‘Will’ of Jesus Christ—

I respect that man–
Like most of the brothers and sisters
At Westridge who give themselves to God,
It is time that you guard your heart because
Your part at Westridge is over!

Therefore, let me say this aloud
All brothers and sister are ‘dear’
However, you just cannot see that
There are so many wonderful Ministers and you
Claim your way is ‘elite’, that is deceit
Let this poem dismantle the mind of Randy ‘shankle’ because
It appears that you are ‘blind’ so obviously
You will run, I thought you serve the Son but
Your action is like a foolish man,
Grabbing a fraction, you think there will be no reaction,
Are you still in Table View or Observatory?
The manner in which you did this
Resembles the form of Babel
The Book says that you are a ‘cult’
So let these words be felt all over the world,
Westridge remains bold, understanding
The reason why some get ‘cold’
Therefore, we never fold our arms
We remain calm because the Lord has
Already gone before us!

Thank you Jesus, we love you and
We know that we must pray for our enemies…
Thank you for going before us!
After some research I found part one. The link is here:

https://www.faithwriters.com/article-details.php?id=79169

Part 1 isn’t as detailed, and won’t post it here. He seems to write in some poetic form. While I found part 2 detailed, I don’t necessarily like the poetic form. But I am no expert on poetry, but used to write poetry myself. The name of the author is unfamiliar with me, but did send him a message so I am waiting to hear from him. He also seems to have over a 1000 writings, but the list may have duplicates, thus why it took so long for me to find part 1. He also seems to write on doctrinal issues which I found interesting, as many people tend to not speak about doctrine any more. Therefore I find it to be a positive thing even if he differs on some doctrine with me.