Aug 31st service

Not much to report. Just another small tactic by Randy to try and counter move what I stated in my warning. Here is something Bruce DeLay once said about Randy and his strategies:

RS is so good at all this stuff – he must have demonic help. Nobody spends his time calculating this stuff and figuring out all his moves like a chess-match 9 or 10 moves ahead of the game. But RS absolutely does. He is the ‘master’.

I had warned that being at CiM and with Randy is a danger to the people and their children and then Randy says this today:

First he claims that the reason bad things have been happening is because satan had a plan of attack that God had told them about. But now God is going to bring them deliverance. That’s pretty slick, but we have already seen Randy’s track record of speaking the promises of God since Jerry Collum was attempting to restore their ministry together.

We know that people are especially concerned about their kids. And Randy’s slick move to minister to this need will try and off balance concern. If the people will think they can’t get help for their kids on their own or elsewhere they will stay with Randy.

I had a friend, in fact the person who introduced me to Randy’s teachings, who had a son living with his ex-wife. He was so concerned about the salvation of his son, that he embraced Universalism in hopes and belief that his son will be saved no matter what.

This is probably where many of those at CiM are at. Instead of relying upon God and His ways, they are leaning on Randy, like the people of the Old Testament did when they wanted a miracle, they sought after a prophet. Or even like Catholicism and many other denominations which promote the doctrine of the Nicolaitins. (Priesthood vs Laity system)

Remember Randy has mastered the idea to CiM that his voice is God’s voice. Bruce also spoke about this. I have given his quote where Randy told Bruce that if he wanted God’s will he would have to listen to Randy. But Bruce also said this:

There is a classic “bait and switch” that occurs with these border-line cult leaders. It gives them the appearance to many as still being a christian ministry/church. (And the fact that Christians can be some of the most gullible, naive people on the planet helps, too!) People hear the Bible taught with conviction – and come to receive the truth. It is subtle at first, But they get something different than what was advertised…
Example: BAIT: “Die to self, take up your cross and follow Me” – (Jesus). SWITCH: “Die to self, lose everything, and follow ME: (RS !)” BAIT: “Submit to God’s authority” SWITCH: “I AM God’s authority (RS), and If you EVER stop submitting to MY unquestionable authority, you will be cast into outer darkness!” BAIT: “We must train up disciples / sons and send them out to do the Father’s will”. SWITCH “I AM your father (RS), and now you will help me build my kingdom. You will never be quite mature enough to be trusted, so you will always need me to “father” you a little more. I will never send you – unless it will further my own purposes. You are now stuck in a spiritual twighlight zone forever. ” It reminds me of the old show “Sanford and Son”… “One of these days LaMont, ALL THIS will be yours!” (A junkyard).

Warning!!!

2 Cor:13:1: … In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

God is not mocked, even Jeff called for judgement on these matters and God I believe is answering. 2 former elders of CiM have died, 2 who had made peace with Randy, but still knew there was problems with Randy’s administration.

1Pt:4:17: For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us…

It has begun with CiM elders. And God has stepped in because man has not, the prayers have arisen to God, since elders have failed to act, God is.

I am not saying God kills, but God allows death when necessary. All those who doubt, do you believe in chance? Or coincidence? Not those of you who follow scripture.

So why would 2 former elders of CiM die when they made peace with Randy? Does that bring comfort or warning?

Nothing is certain, not even doctrines.

1 Cor 13:12: For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

1 Cor 2: LITV
2 For I decided not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ, and Him having been crucified.

Christianity is about faith. Not absolutes known in the mind. It’s not a time to play around. It’s time to obey, or face the dangers of disobedience. Randy Shankle and his administration cause divorce, church splits, family break-ups, and in the name of God. If you enable that, then you better have blood above your door so the cloud of death passes your home. In other words, you better fall on your knees and ask God to forgive you. And as Jesus said, “Go and sin no more”.

Some may ask, if it’s God’s will that Randy not be an elder, why doesn’t God take him out?

1st, men give authority to Randy to act as an elder.

2ndly it’s demons which do the dirty work, and they approve of what Randy is doing. Destruction and division is their business. Therefore they won’t take Randy out, until he has no further use for them.

But how many elders have to die before the sheep who enable Randy start to suffer? Or maybe deacons are next? Who knows. And I certainly don’t see Randy raising the dead as he prophetically promised would happen. Tho they keep chanting the scripture like some magic mantra to believe Randy’s prophecy will come true.

Here’s Randy’s prophecy:

Next is Randy praying this prophecy during worship:

Then 2-4  weeks ago, Dwayne repeats it:

 

Then one of the girls from Judah sings it:

Then about a week ago Ray repeats it:

But what does Jesus and scripture say about the constant repeating of a prayer?

Math 6:7: But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Why is the administration repeating this? For the very same reason Randy originally gave it, because it is being whispered in the congregation that Randy does not represent God. Many have read this blog, many have lived there and seen the lies, the wrongs done. And that’s why in the last year or so, Randy and Jeff have talked about me in their services, claiming I work for satan. I am a threat to them. But if they represent God then I wouldn’t even be a threat would I? A church shouldn’t have to spend a single minute speaking about 1 man’s blog. But CiM does, because as a recent comment by a person on this Blog said:

I still have family @ cim that are deeper than ever especially since Randy is losing people he is fervent to have the loyaty of those who remain.

Randy confessed this concern once. Listen here:

He thinks he represents God, and his prophecies are God’s word. Any opposition is from satan according to him, therefore any opposition will come from those around him, not himself. Hmm and what did Jeff say about another elder from another church who did this kind of thing?

Jeff claimed that this minister had the spirit of Lucifer. But Randy is God’s right hand man right? And all his prophecies will come true. he said that when Jerry died, and he said they would come immediately and he said nothing would stop him and Jerry from ministering together, not even death. Then they claimed they would raise Jerry from the dead.

Phooey. He is not representing God. And their repeating that scripture like a magical spell won’t make it so.

Don’t get me wrong. I believe in the Bible. I believe that God can raise the dead. That’s not the problem. Randy has lost his qualifications as a bishop according to scripture, and God does not recognize his ministry. The Cloud has moved on. Now another cloud is hovering in the midst. A fog of death and judgment.

The people of CiM need to leave, for their safety, for the safety of their children. If not from the dangers of Randy and his administration’s touch of division and divorce, then from death stalking the land.

I am not the best at bringing healing. Micheal Barret has a great ministry in this area. You can learn more about Michael Barrett’s ministry here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/excim-elder-info/michael-barrett/

He has an article that really ministers in this area called “Healing the Broken Hearted”. But I have some advice on how to begin the process of restoration when leaving CiM. See here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/cim-survival-guide/

I am a Watchman, I sound the trumpet. I am not highly skilled in the area of healing the broken hearted. But I will help where I can.

Please hear the sound of the trumpet and be warned people.

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Update:

The person I mentioned above (their comment) has left another comment (below) with some very interesting points. I would like to say that while I was at CiM disaterous incidents were rare. In fact in the 4 years I was there, there were no deaths. 1 local older womanwho was a member whose husband did not attend CiM, her husband died and that was the only incident of death.

You see things went downhill fast after I left, when I started my webpage on CiM and Randy (2001 or 2002) I had heard 4 deaths had occurred in the church after I had left. That was about 5-6 years afterwards. I have heard through the internet broadcasts from the platform of several incidents of infant misfortunes and other accidents and major health issues which the administration and church had prayed for. The person below says there are more. Since I have been long gone I can’t give the details of such things. But indeed these are signs of warning and danger as well.

One at CiM should ask why do these keep happening when they didn’t happen before? Why has the hedge of protection been lifted? Perhaps it hasn’t, and that shepherds have broken that hedge themselves and allowed the serpents to enter.

Num 21:6: And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

I do not know all the dynamics, but the Lord has allowed this to occur, and it has gotten worse. The people need to look into the serpent staff like Moses made for the people. And that staff for us is Christ. He is our Shepherd and His staff will protect us. The sheep must obey the shepherd’s staff for the protection.

John McManus has died

John McManus has died. I do not know very much about him nor the details surrounding his death. But first I want to say I pray for his family and friends to be comforted at this time of loss. I need to be careful here. But I also must make sure to be diligent enough to share the warning I see in this situation to those who are at CiM and those outside CiM who are enabling Randy Shankle.

John McManus I am told was an elder at CiM for a short time. I believe he was living on the North West coast of the US when he died. This info was given to me by someone who believed so but wasn’t certain as well as a comment made by John himself at the old ex-CiM member forum last December or so. You can learn more about the forum here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/excim-history/

John was a member of that forum, and he had several arguments with me over CiM and Randy. He tended to want people to dismiss or be quiet about the problems at CiM, while acknowledging these problems existed. When I 1st began my website about Randy and CiM, I was very neutral until I was contacted and told about the bad things CiM and Randy have done. I could have went the same direction as John, but didn’t. That direction, neutral, is an enabling of Randy.

I believe John’s main issue with Randy and the administration was the issue of the Daughters of Zelophehad and household priorities. This was when Randy was having canoe trips with the women of CiM. Here are some comments by John on this issue:

Randy has always centered on different groups by age or gender or marital status to focus on different areas of the Word.

If the elders JUST took women camping without their husbands, it would appear cultish and dangerous. But, if one week it is the single boys from 15-18 years old and the next young married couples and the next seniors and then married women, it is clear that one group was not singled out.

The problem comes in when domestic headship is bypassed and even encouraged. The Word is clear that when it comes to engaging in spirituals, a wife must have her head covered. If she is married, then this covering is her husband. We know that Jesus can bypass a husband and go directly to a married women, but another man must not do so. A thief and a robber will go up another way instead of going through the porters that Christ has set in place. The danger here is not Randy, but the enemy who is the thief and tries to work through men.

Christ puts these protections in place for our edification and not our destruction. Parrallel truth must all either be embraced or ignored. You cannot expect a person bringing a Word to a congregation to go through the elders andencourage a married women to bypass her husband when it comes to receiving a Word. Andyou cannot say that you defendthe headship of a husband and not respect elders as porters.

Now. if this was just a bunch of women going camping … then we indeed have misjudged the matter. But, if there were spirituals being practiced and other men were present, then the husbands should be there also…

Here is what John had to say about CiM and his relationship with them:

And for the record, I was not harmed, but greatly helped in Marshall and from Randy. I have no ax to grind. The principles that I am contending for were the very ones that he taught me and seems to have fallen away from. God orders His Kingdom to establish it with righteousness and judgment. You cannot bypass this order in a marriage and have the Kingdom established. Divorces and wounded children will always be the fruit when God’s order is not respected and upheld within a fellowship.

He tried to be on both sides of the fence, and it didn’t go well with him I think. See his comment here:

Not much spiritual fireworks in our lives lately, but experiencing explosives up close and personal is not always an upbuilding experience. Sometimes we “OOH and AWW” to see their beauty, but sometimes we just get blown up.

Thus I think he was “gun shy” of CiM, and was on my case about uncovering Randy. Bruce I think spoke to him about these issues but it never went far either.

I think John came to the church after I left, and CiM was very different after I left. And this may have caused more problems for others who were there, and I believe John in his own guilt, may have portrayed this on others. Look at this comment by him:

I think we begin living when we finally return to the Father. I had a rhema recently that we are the prodigal sons after all. We were taught to believe that the prodigal is a type of the lost, but Jesus said that this parable is about two kinds of sons. It is the ultimate sonship lesson.

When we first met Jesus, He showed us the Father. But, we were not content to just bask in the glory of our relationship with Father God personally. We had to ask for our inheritence now. So we asked and believed and prayed and had hands laid upon us until we finally had our own calling and our own anointing and our own ministry gifts and we took them off to live riotously with the Harlot.

In the Harlot’s house we pushed and shoved and elbowed one another so that we would appear the prettiest or the strongest or the most wealthy spiritually. But in the end, we found ourselves with the other pigs fighting over scraps of acceptance and glory and praise.

But yet he called CiM a swine pit:

I know that a lot of people focus on Randy and CIM particularly because it happens to be the swine pit where they awoke and came to themselves. But, I came out of a similar pit before I came to Marshall and went back into another when I left.

This duality I think was hard on him, and thus he confessed openly that he shared what happened on the forum with the CiM administration:

It was no surprise to me when someone mentioned that leaders in Marshall are aware of what is said here as I have discussed it with some of them. I have never been one to hide what I do and this is why I never have been afraid to say who I was when anyone asked.

And here is another showing some of his doubts:

I think it can be a greater test of our sonshipto remain strong when heaven appears silent. I say “appears” because I do think He is working behind the scenes to order our steps. Times like these also make me wonder how much of the fireworks that we embraced in the past were more human emotion than true spiritual life.

I just know that God is good all the time and whatever is of man is as the grass of the field. As long as we do not take our lives too seriously, we can enjoy the ride without all of the drama.

I think John was very hurt. He admits to pushing his gifts to excel and be noticed. This placed him in a place where he thought 1 man didn’t make a difference. That’s quite untrue. I saw a list of how one person votes affected history such as 1 vote put Hitler in power. This was probably one of the reasons for him trying to stop me. He thought my ministry here would have no effect (read the last comment at the end). But this ministry has a lot of effect where CiM services have been conducted or motivated by what has been said here. Literally hundreds of people if not more have viewed this blog or my website on the matter of Randy and CiM. John’s being silent was an enabling of Randy. 

Here’s a comment of him reconciling with Randy. Of course Randy would choose men who were fence sitters. That’s easy for him, but Randy had never phoned Bruce.

Here’s John’s comment:

I did receive a phone call from Randy about a month ago and he told me about Jerry C. and him reconcilling and wanted to make sure there were no problems or unforgiveness or unresolved matters in our lives. I let him know that there was nothing on my end and I was glad that God was working reconciliation between members of His body.

I find it interesting that one of his last posts was a direct argument against my posting a link to the clip of Randy speaking about Jerry confronting Randy about being a man of war.

And here is his comment (his 2nd to last I believe):

I wonder why this particular fishy cannot seem to move on to another tank? Could it be that all of his material came from the source that he cannot get over trying to minimize? Does he think everyone will think he received and wrote this stuff if he can make Randy go away permanently? Very sad.

Am I saying that John died because he had made peace with Randy? Or because he was an enabler of Randy? No. Of this we can’t be certain. But With Jerry’s death after he made peace with Randy, and John’s, and knowing scripture says that a serpent can bite you if you break a hedge, it makes me think this highly likely. Out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let every word be established.

I think this is a dangerous time to be with Randy or enabling him. Judgment begins in the house of God. I will be keeping my eye out for these things. And I beg everyone at CiM to leave, before more of this spreads.

Aug 24th service

Last week much of the worship service was a response to this blog, check out my post on it for more. Today, almost the entire service was in response to my post from Aug 10th, except for the worship time.

I will refer you to this post:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/todays-service/

…where I discussed CiM’s wrongful attitude about ruling.

Today Randy was gone and Jeff ministered most of the service. He actually attempted to bring correction to the error I shared to the church.

Here is a clip of him speaking about this, including using Math 20 as I already had in that post (it is a lengthy clip about 3 minutes):

He starts by saying that CiM has been given much and will be required much at the day of judgment and they better live right. Remember this is Jeff calling on God’s judgment on the matter of their method of gaining rule and ruling. After sharing the scripture he says God is teaching them how to rule, because they are about to step into rulership. Because they need to know the kingdom way. He explains there is a lot of Lording over and such in the Body of Christ. Including marriage. He then goes on about one must be a servant to rule, and not go about it as the world does by usurping authority by climbing up.

But they missed it. And I didn’t go into detail as I should have to explain their error here. Serving is not the problem there. At CiM there are many examples of people helping each other. But they only do this when everyone is in submission and isn’t rocking the boat, making waves, or is not in agreement with the eldership.

Sure they have helped people move in and even change houses, but have they helped people move out and leave CiM?

And what about Lordship and marriage? CiM administration wouldn’t marry me until God told them personally that I was to be married. Isn’t that lording over? Isn’t that ungodly leadership? Now I am glad I didn’t get married to that girl, but they handled it wrong. Just go to the links I share elsewhere to see the many examples of how CiM has tried to control people. How about Bruce DeLay’s comment:

In my last real conversation with RS, way back in early ‘98, I made it very clear that I was leaving.  He said (loose quote) “Here’s how it works:  God tells me His will for you – and then I will let you know what it is.”  He was telling me that it was God’s will for me to remain in Marshall – and I was saying the opposite (time to go).  I told him that I knew he had always believed that ‘God’s will’ came through him to his ’sons’ – but I was glad he finally came out and said it plainly.  Of course I would have to follow the One who died on the cross for me, not a man who was trying to control me…  That’s a no-brainer for any clear-thinking person.

Now this control thing has become litteral doctrine there, with many different applications – spoken openly without hesitation, because there is no voice to challenge it Biblically.

Jeff is right, they have to answer to God on judgment day for their rulership. The administration has caused divorces too, and even has “ordained” them. Go back a couple months to hear a clip where Jeff speaks about divorcing being acceptable.

Serving isn’t the problem, it’s the attitude, and who they serve and who they don’t serve. Jeff gives an example of bad ruling, from another church:

Jeff sounds so shocked about this bad example, but what about what CiM has done? An example spoken by Bruce DeLay:

The public denouncing of certain people started years ago. At first it was simply an attempt to follow the Matt 18:17 principle of church discipline: “Tell it to the church”. But the power of holding someone’sreputation in your hands can be intoxicating. A milestone where RS began to abuse this power was when something called “The Family Forum” began. RS would get 3 or 4 couples on stage and do a talk-show style interview deal. He had a secret agenda of getting into one specific area withone specific couple. People with whom he had already been couselingprivately and was frustrated with a lack of results. The people usually thought they had been chosen randomly out of the audience. This format went on weekly for over my last year. It continued long after I left, I think. Many people’s private, dirty laudry was aired in detail in front of the whole church. It was terrible. Past relationships, comments previously only made in confidence, etc. Here’s one mild example: One woman was led into speaking about her marital love lfe (RS is good at getting people to talk). When she said her husband had always been a bad kisser – a real disappointment to her… I watched her husband’s respect level drop thru the floor in front of everyone. RS had led her into publically dishonoring her husband. Both she and he left the platform in guilt. But RS felt like “Dr Phil” or something (There was no Dr Phil back then – but you know what I mean). This man was an up and comuing leader in the church, whom RS wanted to keep in check. RS is so good at all this stuff – he must have demonic help. Nobody spends his time calculating this stuff and figuring out all his moves like a chess-match 9 or 10 moves ahead of the game. But RS absolutely does. He is the ‘master’. My ever-increasing efforts to get RS to stop it was part of the reason I was pushed out of the church in the timing I was.

The ‘Family Forum’ fiasco broke down a lot of ethical/moral boundaries in the people, which allowed things to go much further in the years which followed. I have heard specifics from others about how bad it has gotten since I left. After my resistance was silenced, there was no one left in leadership – only Yes Men, or men withlesser strength whose dissention was too weak to slow RS down.

So how can Jeff sound so appalled? When CiM has done just as bad? He then spoke about how this abusive elder acted like God. And that it was the power of Lucifer to be like the Most High. But what about Randy claiming that when Reece submitted himself to Randy he was obeying God’s will? Listen to this clip from a couple months ago:

There are so many examples of Randy taking the place of God, it’s terrible, you can go back and find other such clips.

In this next clip from Jeff today, you will hear how the attitude should be:

He talks about how the mind of Christ should be in us. And not be thinking of ourselves. But what is it that is in their mind? This next clip is 4 sound bites put together from today’s service. Out of Jeff’s mouth has proceeded what is actually in their heart:

1st like I said the other day, they lust after power, here Jeff admits to wanting this power. He then says the end of the vision is them being a leader. You see? It’s their end. Wrong motive. What is the end? Is it to have power? No. Even at CiM years ago I learned that the purpose of the baptism of the Holy Spirit was not for power but to be a witness. What is the purpose of leadership in the church?

Eph 4:

12: For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

That is the purpose of leadership, to come into unity in the fullness of God. Their end is to rule. God’s end is to bring unity in God.

And lastly on the clip you hear Jeff say they are destined to rule and dominate. And earlier in the service he said ruling was NOT to dominate or be a dictator. Out of the abundance of his heart, Jeff spoke.

God is NOT going to use CiM in the leadership role they believe. Because they are opposed in the method of serving. They only serve when folks are in order. They are hunters not fishers of men. They disbelieve in this:

2Tm:2:25: In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

1Cor:4:21: What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

But they prefer the Rod of Aaron. When I was there they even had the Rod of Aaron pictured on the wall.

So they still don’t have it right. They lust after power and they don’t correct those who are opposed in meekness. And this is why Randy has been disqualified as an elder.

In the final clip, you will hear Ray repeating the same prophecy that Dwayne repeated from Randy a previous week. As if they keep holding onto this scripture and repeating it, it will make the false visions and prophecy’s true: