Response to response

I believe the person who has created a blog about me, responded to my post. I will post some of their comments and make my response:

All I can say is that your views are incredibly slanted and very inaccurate.

If you have never met Randy, how can you say I am in accurate when I been there 4 years and Bruce DeLay ministered with Randy many more years?

I just had to laugh when you build multiple websites based on Randy’s disagreement with Clarence, and here  Clarence and Randy are in the process of reconciling.Before you start weighing in on others disagreements in the body there are probably a few things you should know…

You attitude with the laughter and other soulish manifestations as well as your own admittance you are not spiritual gives no weight to your arguments. 1st off I contacted Clarence Hill myself and got his permission to publish his letter on the internet. 2ndly I have serious doubt they are reconciling as I am sure Clarence would contact me and ask me to remove or update his letter. Though Randy has claimed to have contacted many people to reconcile, those I know of have had no such contact. And his attempt to reconcile with Jerry Collum seems to have been deadly. Lastly I have not built multiple websites for this. I run 1 website, which has 50-75 pages on it, and maybe 5 of those deal with Randy or CiM. I also run 1 Blog which does have more content than the website.

There a two sides to every story.  To say you agree with someone without hearing the facts of the otherside is pretty much the definition of stupidity.

Sides? I am on no one’s side. I am following God. God doesn’t pick sides. If I was on a side then the allegations I was bitter and angry would be true. But since I am not rooting for any side, I have no emotions of such involved. At least I hope and pray my emotions have been saved in these events. In fact it’s because they have been, I have in the past been outcasted by those who have not forgiven Randy. Randy has confessed that the allegations on the internet are true, this occurred on Sept 24, 06.

Just because you hear it from others dosen’t make it true.  I know you have people who can agree with you.  I can produce over a hundered testimonies that say they are wrong.  So who is right?

I was there, you weren’t. I have heard Randy’s confessions. That is sufficient, with my witnesses.

What if the person you are backing is wrong?

God is never wrong. I follow Him.

In this case Clarence was wrong.  Does being a spiritual father to someone mean that you have the authority to step in and second guess their ordained position by God?

He never claimed Randy wasn’t ordained, but Randy claimed Clarence was over him, and then said he wasn’t. You have it backwards.

It’s not the first time in history that 2 men have had a disagreement and one of them incorrectly went public with it.  When it does happen, we as a body need to set back and let them work out their own relationship, not judge whose side we are on.  If need be, they may have to take it to somebody to judge over it.

Opinions on this does not matter. I have God’s word:

1 Tim 3:2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Titus 1:6  If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7:  For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

Math 18:
16: But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17: And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Rom  16:
17: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

 

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UPDATE:

My computer has had some problems, so I have been off line for a bit.  I got a response to the above. Here is my reply:

 
Quote:
I have known Brother Clarence Sr. since 98. I don’t think any of them including Bruce feel the need to confer with you on anything.

Reply:
I have spoken to both. Clarence Hill gave me permission to publish his letter. Bruce also wrote a message which he asked me to publish awhile ago. He also has allows me to continue to send people to him who need help.

Quote:
Secondly, do you believe that Jerry Collum died because he tried to reconcile with Randy?

Reply:
We can no nothing for certain on these matters. I do know that if you stick your hand outside the hedge of protection a serpent can bite you!

Quote:
If you believe Satan killed him, then he was tring to stop Jerry to do the work of the Lord. 

Reply: 
Even Randy teaches that you must be in the Father’s will for Him to bless any work for God. At least Randy used to teach that. Jerry warned Randy that Randy was a man of war. Yet he continued to try to minister with him. 

Quote:
You did not witness Randy doing anything because you were not in Marshall when they supposedly happened, however I was. 

Reply:
Doesn’t matter. Randy has confessed to the allegations on the internet. I have heard multiple witnesses for many of Randy’s wrong doings. 

I would like to say, it appears 2 different people, and maybe 3 have been involved in these responses. Or 1 person changing their story and just trying to “dis” what’s going on here. The 1st response was a similar to a forum post, but the original was from someone who had been on the forum awhile I believe. The 1st response said they didn’t know Randy, the 2nd response says they did. So who knows for sure who these people are.

Attack

Someone has decided to start a blog uncovering me in retaliation of this blog. But I am not concerned because I have nothing to hide and have confessed my sins and faults publicly already. I also have had 2 other such incidents occur before as well.

The 1st such incident happened about in 2004 when I was an active member on a christian forum. This forum had nothing to do with CiM or Randy Shankle, it was simply a christian forum. One person believed my posts and doctrine was dangerous so they made a website to try and debunk me and attack me.

It is no longer on the internet but a copy of it can be found here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040107131010/http://home.triad.rr.com/defendusinbattle/2Tim4-3@K-G_1.htm

I did respond to this page and made my response on my FAQ page here (you will find the response about 2/3 the way down):

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/faq.html

The 2nd incident occurred when I was linking to another website which posted some material from Randy Shankle and CiM. I discuss that in more detail here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/a-letter-from-an-ex-elder-of-cim/

Unfortunately that page no longer exists, not even on the WayBack Machine site because the webmaster simply changed an existing page on his website to attack me, and then changed it back when I agreed to his terms. But I also responded to that page on my FAQ page listed above as well.

So, this 3rd attempt has no power on me. Since I have acknowledged each such encounter myself publicly, since I am not being intimidated. I also am not afraid of any uncoverings of my life because I myself have confessed them online.

You can read the details of my failures and sins as well as the victories of my life testimony here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/testimony.html

You can also read about how I failed with the administration and with others at the Church in Marshall here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/role.html

I also have confessed on this very blog that like Randy, I myself am unqualified as an elder. But unlike Randy I do not minister as one.

I believe that this 3rd attempt is by a Shankle supporter who was a spy at the now dead forums of the ex-CiM members. This is a guess, but my belief of this is because the blog gives an entry which is very similar to a post on that forum that was made to me when Jerry died. However the blog entry is not exact and could have been copied by another person. I am not after revenge so am not posting any names. Nor am I concerned with self preservation because I have nothing to hide.

In fact if  that blog turns into a theological debate to address the issues I bring up here, I myself will look forward to it. Because:

Prov:27:17: Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Many of my stances and teachings and so on have been refined through debate. I always enjoy correction and theological discussion. Because I accept correction, I now have nothing to hide. In fact last Sunday Randy talked about how some people are so afraid of correction and make excuses. But when I showed up at CiM being UA (Unauthorized Absence) from the Navy and Jerry Collum confronted me, I was so quick to turn myself in, Jerry told me I could wait a few days, but wanted to do it immediately. You can read about this incident on my testimony page (being UA from the military).

Here is a copy of the 1st entry of this blog attack:

I often wonder if Doma spends even a minute fraction of the time that Doma spends busy-bodying Randy Shankle, on Doma’s wife, or on Doma’s kids, or on his own family.   If Doma did spend as much time as he devotes to Randy on Doma’s wife and kids, he would probably have a great marriage and have kids who loved being with their dad, and be a whole lot happier and sainer.

Can any of you even imagine being married to Doma or having him as your father? He is totally obsessed! 

Doma, you exhibit  the behavior of a stalker – and it is not healthy.   Doma, does God need for you to rehash everything that goes on at CIM for others?  If people want to know about Randy, they can go to his website and download his messages or read his books.  People do not need for you to be a source of rehashing what you believe that Randy or anyone else says.  Besides, your obsession has allowed you to become a rusty pipe of information – the information is tainted.

Next, I wonder if Doma works.  He never has answered this question.  Doma obviously has computer skills that could be used to get a good job, but our taxes are probably being used to help him spend the time with his nose in everyone’s else’s business except his own.

I hope I am wrong.

Honestly Doma, can’t you see that for all your busy bodying, it means nothing to Randy or anyone else,  because you have become someone that people can not trust or respect. Why?  Because you close your ears, heart, and soul off to any one’s  voice of reason.  You reject anyone’s heartfelt efforts to reach you.  You are off on your own, with no protection, when people have reached out trying in vain to tell you that you are off course.

I remember the San Francisco earthquake.  When the bridge fell, people were trying to warn drivers not to continue on their path as the bridge was out.  But, one man and his wife kept right on going and fell to their deaths. 

You need to listen buddy…

I responded to this post when he emailed me this stuff a couple weeks ago. Here was my email to him:

Q: I often wonder if Doma spends even a minute fraction of the time that Doma spends busy-bodying Randy Shankle, on Doma’s wife, or on Doma’s kids, or on his own family.
R: I have answered this before. It takes very little time doing my ministry on CiM.

Q:If Doma did spend as much time as he devotes to Randy on Doma’s wife
R: My wife hates my friends, my church, my country. It has nothing to do with my ministry.

Q: have kids who loved being with their dad, and be a whole lot happier and saner.
R: I am a great dad, my kids love me.

Q: Doma, does God need for you to rehash everything that goes on at CIM for others?
R: From Bruce DeLay:
I have not heard from the Lord regarding specifics on how to proceed from here – other than a couple of general things…You could go back thru all the teachings and prophecies and debunk each one – teachings with scripture, and prophecieswith the lack of actual fulfillment…

Q: If people want to know about Randy, they can go to his website and download his messages or read his books. People do not need for you to be a source of rehashing what you believe that Randy or anyone else says.
R: Read what Bruce said above. Also, about 100 people a day read my webpages or blog pages on Randy. You are wrong. Bruce DeLay still gets emails from people because of my blog.

Q: Next, I wonder if Doma works. He never has answered this question.
R: I have answered this question. I am in lower management in the restaurant business.

Q: Honestly Doma, can’t you see that for all your busy bodying, it means nothing to Randy or anyone else,
R: Your assessment is wrong. I get a hundred visitors a day, a couple thousand a month. I have people thanking me. Someone emailed me 2 days ago and said:
Just want to let you know that you are called of God and you do have the purpose of God in your life. In Him YOU live and move  YOUR being. You are called to reveal the truth. Even tho it started out from the misunderstanding when you left cim. So continue the work, be strong and always know that there is one smooth stone in your pouch. Don’t be afraid to use it.

In his 2nd blog entry he says this:

Unfortunately there is one specific individual…who has nothing better to do than constantly criticize Randy at every turn. In fact he has started his own ministry after Randy, to the point if Randy had to die so would his ministry, very sad.

… (he)obviously has an offense with Randy Shankle that he has been taken over and is being used by demonic forces. To have so much hatered and biterness to an individual is scary. (he)… obviously knows the Word, but so does satan. When ever other men of God have tried to reason with (him) he constantly comes back with scriptures defending his stance.

It has been stated from the CiM platform and others that my ministry consists only of uncovering Randy. That is so untrue. Most of my Blog covers Randy, but very little of my website. My website may have 50-75 pages, and only about 5 of them are about CiM and Randy. This blog is my way of dealing with things that are not necessarily teachings. My website is formatted more toward teachings. This blog is my method of dealing with other formats of my ministry. In fact I use this blog for prophecy and current events. In fact on July 11th just a little over a week ago or so I posted an entry on this blog about the current events of Iran and their place in prophecy. See here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/iran-and-prophecy/

So its a self delusion of anyone reads my writings to think that Randy and CiM are the backbone of my ministry. It is not.

And the attempt once again to say I am bitter, angry, or filled with hatred is laughable, because I was once chased off the ex-CiM forum for telling people to forgive Randy and state in my CiM survival guide here…:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/cim-survival-guide/

…that people who leave CiM need to forgive and not be bitter. So this person is not acting in spirit, by evidence that they are making wrong conclusions about me, very obvious ones.

This situation is minor, and will probably blow over soon, and isn’t even worth me making a full time page on. If anyone wants to know about my sins, and the resources I have listed doesn’t answer them, they can contact me.

I also don’t think CiMis behind this. it’s not their style. In fact here is a clip of Jeff speaking about NOT getting in the flesh about such things:

While they might not get in the flesh, they do get in the soul. They know scripture too much for this kind of thing and know that doing anything like that will only bring more criticism.

No, this is someone who confesses on their own blog they are not spiritual, and they think they are doing Randy or God a favor.

More Doctrinal Error

I don’t do this often, but it is relevant. Perhaps not as relevant as Randy’s divisive and destructive nature, but is definitely a sign he is missing God.  So today I will be uncovering a doctrinal error of Randy’s which he exposed today (actually several of them). I have uncovered some of his doctrinal error before, see here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/error.html

Bruce DeLay once spoke about uncovering his error:

…I have not heard from the Lord regarding specifics on how to proceed from here – other than a couple of general things…You could go back thru all the teachings and prophecies and debunk each one – teachings with scripture, and prophecies with the lack of actual fulfillment. But that’s a full-time endeavor!

Today, I think, Randy was still in defence mode. He probably just regurgitated what he told his “elect” about his excuses of his own wrong doings. Yes, this is another admission by Randy today of his control and harm he has done. But today he gives his excuse. I think this may be the 1st time he ever has attempted to answer the scripture stating that an elder must be blameless. See here for the scriptures and details of that:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/why-randy-is-disqualified/

His excuse is that it isn’t sin. Which I will discuss more below. But his excuse is that he learned this behaviour from his parents:

So he wasn’t born with this, he claims. Therefore it isn’t sin nature and isn’t a sin. He goes so far back in bad theology, all the way back to Eve. In this next clip you will hear how he says Eve didn’t sin either:

He is trying to discern the difference between: sin, iniquity, trespass, faults, and so on. And I am sure there could indeed be more revelation on the subject. But he is in error. If he thinks Eve didn’t sin because there was no law, he is wrong. Sin is simply missing God’s will. And God is gracious enough to make His will a quite large target. He has 3 levels to His will:

Rom 12: 2: And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

God’s will is like a target. The inner circle is the perfect will of God, the middle ring is the acceptable, and the outer ring if the good.

http://www.churchsports.org/faq.html

The word “sin” in early Greek was actually an archery term; it literally meant to “miss the mark.” When an archer shoots at a target, he aims at the “bull’s eye” – the center of the target. When the arrow landed anywhere else, the archer “sinned” – he missed the mark. The term began to be used in Christendom when people began to miss the mark – the absolutes of God found in His character or His commands found in Scripture. In other words, when I live my life contrary to the precepts, counsel or commands of God (the center of the target for my life), I have “missed the mark, I have sinned.”

This isn’t the best illustration, by itself, as sin, described here, would mean missing the bulls eye. But sin in actuality is missing the target altogether.

We know what God’s will was for Eve:

Gen 2:16: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

It was God’s will that they do not eat of that tree, but Eve did, therefore she sinned. But that isn’t the only error Randy made in his statement. He asked what sin did she do that made them have to leave the garden. I gave you her sin, but it was not her sin that they had to leave, it was Adam’s sin. That isn’t all, Randy made more doctrinal error in his statement on that clip. He claimed that the Tree of Knowledge was the realm of the soul. That is not correct. It affected the soul, as well as the spirit. But the Tree of Knowledge is NOT a representation of the soul. Even in Randy’s book, the Merismos, he states that man’s spirit died from that tree. Partaking of the soul does not kill the spirit eternally, I am sure it can grieve it though. I am not going to get into here what the Tree of Knowledge is, but if your interested, read this page of mine, where I explain it:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/redeem.html

And Randy made yet another doctrinal error in the clip above. He then states that Romans claims sin entered the world through Eve, it did not. It came through Adam. Here is Romans:

Rom 5:
18: Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19: For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

We know it was Adam, because 1 Corinthians tells us:

1 Cor 15:
22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

I can’t believe he made such error. He knows better than this. This is evidence that He is just preaching from his soul, and is acting in self preservation. But he made more errors yet!

He actually began the service on another subject. He began to speak about the salvation of the body. He stated that Jesus only did 1 work, and only that 1 work was needed to save all 3 parts of us; spirit, soul, and body. Listen to His statement here:

Sounds nice, but is it true?

1 Cor:15:26: The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Paul stated that after Calvary, after Jesus died. And in future tense! And when will death end and the body be saved?

1Jn:3:2: Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Back to 1 Cor 15:

51: Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53: For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54: So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

And Randy wasn’t speaking prophetically of having faith of what we have in heavenly places either. Listen to this clip to see for yourself:

This really concerns me. It’s another move towards the Manifest Sons of God movement. They believe that you can achieve a maturity where your body becomes saved and you can walk through walls like Jesus did when he met the disciples in the locked room after He rose from the dead. This is why Randy has attracted such folk. I hope he is NOT moving in this direction doctrinally.

I am afraid that Randy may have fallen so far, he is embracing doctrines of devils, to defend his behaviour. Remember scripture says this will happen in the last days:

1Tm:4:1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Note this says they will depart from faith. For it takes faith to believe God will save our bodies. And that it is a “be not, as though it were”, an act of faith shown to us by Abraham.

Rom:4:17: (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

The salvation of our body is a “be not”, not a “now is”. It is an act by Jesus in the future when He defeats the last enemy.

July 13, 08 service

I have been pretty quiet the last few weeks. For a couple of reasons. Randy didn’t minister for awhile and was having meetings elsewhere. I also was away on vacation for awhile as well.

But after Jerry died, and I published Randy and CiM’s dealings with this. It put a lot of pressure on them. Here is a clip awhile ago where Jeff talks about this tension:

The pressure was so bad that they talked about me. Here is one such clip:

The pressure was severe because many people came to the blog when Jerry died, breaking the record number of visitors twice. People are still leaving messages for the Collums at their memorial guest book page finding the link to it on this blog.

I believe Randy tried to do some damage control after Jeff talked about me. Randy probably had meetings with those nearest him to shore up their allegiance. If you go back a month or so you will hear clips I have where Randy and Jeff speak about the pressure this blog is having on them saying that some state they do not represent God. That’s why they became fervant in saying all their prophecies will come true, no matter what. That even death and time won’t stop them. Then Jerry died proving their prophecies are not of God because they prophesied Jerry would minister with them. Even in the clip above by Jeff, you hear him saying how God validated them.

Well today’s service Randy was back but there was a lot less people and Randy asked if it was because of summer vacation. Let’s hope folks have come to see Randy does not represent God and they have left.

In fact the only clip I have of today, is Randy eluding to this problem again:

It is so vital for him to have the people believe he represents God. But just go back to a month or 2 ago and hear his prophecies on this blog and see how they have not come true. You will also hear how Randy said these prophecies would come to pass quickly and not even tarry.

It’s just as Bruce DeLay once said:

In my last real conversation with RS, way back in early ‘98, I made it very clear that I was leaving. He said (loose quote) “Here’s how it works: God tells me His will for you – and then I will let you know what it is.” He was telling me that it was God’s will for me to remain in Marshall – and I was saying the opposite (time to go). I told him that I knew he had always believed that ‘God’s will’ came through him to his ’sons’ – but I was glad he finally came out and said it plainly. Of course I would have to follow the One who died on the cross for me, not a man who was trying to control me… That’s a no-brainer for any clear-thinking person.

Now this control thing has become litteral doctrine there, with many different applications – spoken openly without hesitation, because there is no voice to challenge it Biblically.

The last year or so they have been really pumping up the congregation trying to get them all excited that things are going to be glorious for them. When reports are saying the opposite that many are troubled, disillusioned with the administration, and the like.

It’s a sham. And people are being controlled and manipulated. I pray that more and more people will leave CiM.

I recommend my CiM Survival Guide:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/cim-survival-guide/