I will be adding more media to my blog as time goes by. I have started recording the messages from CiM. Since some folks claim I make up or lie about what they say or their stances.
If you left click on it to play, you will see a small audio player. Just click on the main part or the play arrow to hear it. Or if you hover your mouse pointer over it you will see another audio player which you can click on.
Often you may have heard me talk about how CiM claims their errors are God ordained. Such as on Oct 8, 06 Jeff said, “be wronged, eat it, and shut up” and went on to say if they (the church and elders) were wrong it was God ordained. In this next audio file you will hear Jeff discussing this (ordaining error) again from the Apr 27th 08 service.
God can use our errors to help people, but this doesn’t mean our errors are God ordained. If thats’ true, then why isn’t Randy and Jeff going to a Catholic church? Why don’t they just eat Catholic error and be happy?
In this next audio file Jeff goes on to talk about freedom people claim to have when they leave CiM.
While some people and kids want to get away from authority, many people have left CiM because of abuse. Which is NOT ordained. Perhaps Randy and Jeff think Israel should go back to Egypt and go back to slavery?
In the next clip Jeff talks about how some claim God changes His mind about folks coming or staying at CiM.
There may be some truth to some people’s error on this issue, but Jeff and Randy should know this error, as they have caused it with doctrines such as “Kisser/Cleaver”. Some people have been called to CiM, but that doesn’t mean the call is permanent. I was called to go to school there. God didn’t change His mind. I missed God by staying at CiM longer than I was supposed to.
In the next clip Jeff talks about how people must accept their error and just forgive.
It is true we are to forgive, but Paul also says this:
Rom 16:17: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
This blog, as well as my website, explain what steps must be taken when a bishop or elder makes error. While I do not condemn forgiving him and in fact encourage folks to do so, and even have been despised for saying this by some who are bitter, forgiveness is needed, as I discuss in my CiM Survival Guide:
http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/cim-survival-guide/
If you are interested in hearing Jeff’s whole message about this in its entirety and hearing it in it’s context, here is the file (its not the whole message but does include the 4 1/2 minutes he discussed this subject from the Apr 27, 08 service)
Apr 27
