Daughters of Zelophehad Part 2

Randy readdressed this teaching and the problems that are surfacing over it. I am glad he answered correctly over the situation about the confusion or ignorance of the ascension/descension ministries.

I think a lot of folks have misjudged his intention over this area, or have misjudged the woman’s place on these matters, when dealing specificly about the these gifts.

As I stated in my 1st post on this:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2007/08/16/daughters-of-zelophehad/

That a woman cannot minister the doma gifts but can minister the other gifts.

However, I felt a lot of “yuck” on this, as I have lately on a lot of Randy’s message. We must always submit the Holy Spirit’s inclinations to the word of God, so we are not deceived by wrong spirits. As I stated at the above link:

When everything is in order its fine but since Randy is now motivated by demonic forces or carnality, the men are reluctant to back him up spiritually and the women being the weaker vessels are portering in carnal prophecies or demonic spirituals to confirm Randy.

It’s a sad state of affairs.

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and here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2007/08/16/headship/

The big fuss comes in because arguments are afoot whether or not ministers can have meetings with women without their husbands…

…It only gets complicated because of abuse. I can understand there may be seasons where a husband may not have his wife attend a women’s meeting. But that would not be the standard.

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I have shared enough on the above pages, as well as here:

http://kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2007/08/15/last-sunday-more/

Of what is acceptable and why women can have meetings. I do not wish to squash any such freedom and liberty, and any legitimate out reach, but things are unbalanced in Marshall.

I understand what Randy says what he is causing to happen. It’s simply discipleship or the maturing of gifts in the women, as well as helping women finding their place in the church, or also known as the baptism into the body. It’s the 5th baptism discussed here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/baptisms.html

However, as I said it’s out of balance. There is no need for a local church to single out the women (or any other group) for so long and so much. Perhaps a bit longer if there is a problem with such a group.

But I know that CiM has had and has women who are strong in manifesting these things. And I do not believe that the percentage of those women who have not matured such grossly out numbers the men who have not.

Sure I could discuss how certain types of churches might be unbalanced toward women maturity, and other types with more mature women. But does scripture offer such an outreach or ministry as a norm? Are not these matters non-gendered?

Confusion is certainly happening because Randy is making it gendered when it is not. Even by examining his own statements when he discusses ascension and descension gifts.

So why is he pushing this? Are the women truly lacking in this spiritual maturity there? Are the men suppressing women in this area in Marshall. They didn’t when I was there, and those who have contacted me in the lasts weeks and months do not say so. Nor does watching the internet broadcasts show such. I see women ministering a lot! There is no evidence for any reasons to make this season last so long.

Randy spoke today that the Holy Spirit never contradicts Jesus as head of the church, therefore people should not usurp authority by saying the Holy Spirit said… So why is Randy following a spirit contrary to the guideline of normal church function. There should not be any prolonged ministry to the female gender, or any group.

So what motivates him? Because the spiritual men are abandoning him. This move by Randy allows him to use the women to control the weak men, and raise up daughters who will spiritually support his message. If he can raise voices that act and minister maturely, that will confirm his ministry, then he will secure his ministry longer.

The men who minister like that are getting fewer.

He even let this slip from his lips when he said that a woman in the church who spoke to Randy’s “nemesis” told her she won’t grow spiritually while she is at CiM. Randy then attacked that statement as well as whoever this person was. Why would he call them his nemesis?

1. something that a person cannot conquer, achieve, etc.: The performance test proved to be my nemesis. 
2. an opponent or rival whom a person cannot best or overcome. 
3. (initial capital letter) Classical Mythology. the goddess of divine retribution. 
4. an agent or act of retribution or punishment. 

Does not scripture state:

Eph:6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Randy feels threatened, and thus is motivated by either his flesh or demonic powers to minister so long on/about women.

Smoking

On a forum today I made a suggestion about the regulation of smoking.

I am waiting for the day when smoking is illegal except for designated places. And illegal in your own home unless you prove that you live alone. Children should not suffer 2nd hand smoke.

I work at a fast food restaurant, and when I am serving the drive thru its absolutely horrible when a customer drives up smoking and I have to breath it. They should be forced to not smoke on the property even in their car. And with children in their car.

Why should non smokers have to pick up used cigarettes off the ground?

Smokers should be forced to smoke in government controlled smoking “houses” like bars or something. And must register. And then all registered smokers would be forced to clean up litter elsewhere until all cigarette butts in public places and roadways are completely gone.

Those who wish to smoke on roadways could continue to do so, only if they prove to the government they have no children and continue to work on the clean up crews.

Smoking would only be legal in the following places:

1. Government controlled smoking establishments

 a.these could be privately owned and offer other services, but under government regulation

 b. Users would have to register

 c. All registered users would have to work on litter clean up crews

2. Homes only where the smoker is the only person residing

 a. Smoker must prove he is alone

 b. smoker must register

  c. All registered users would have to work on litter clean up crews

  d. apartments, hotels, duplexes and so on would not be available for smoking, to stop the risk of fires to the non smokers. Although there could be government controlled smoker apartments.

3.  Smokers could smoke on roadways in vehicles they own

 a. Smoker must prove he is alone

 b. smoker must register

  c. All registered users would have to work on litter clean up crews

 d. smoking in a parking lot, drive thru’s, or other property besides roadways would be illegal. 1st offence fine $100 & assigned extra clean up duty. 2nd offence fine of $500 & banned from all registered establishments for a week & assigned extra clean up duty. 3rd offence fine of $500, banned from registered establishments for a month & assigned extra clean up duty. 4th offence not allowed to smoke for 1 year, removed from registry for a year , can no longer purchase cigarettes for a year, fined $500, extra clean up duty. 5th offence not allowed to smoke for life, removed from registry permentantly, can no longer purchase cigarettes ever, fined $1000.

House Churches

Some folks I know have turned to house churches because of the failure of local churches. I have no problem with that, but I have been hearing that house churches are the ordained method by God to counteract the work of Babylon in corporate local churches. Now that I have a problem with.

Scripture does give us examples of house churches but also gives us examples of large gatherings as well.

Acts:1:15: And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

Acts:2:41: Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts:4:4: Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand. 

Acts:15:30: So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle

Jesus had a plan when He saw the church failed, even before scripture was complete. It was the call of the overcomers to do what the church did not. This was not a replacement plan but a supplement plan, He would not have us forsake the church.

Watchman Nee speaks about this in the book “God’s Plan and the Overcomers”.

Rv:2:7: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Rv:2:11: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rv:2:17: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Rv:2:26: And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Rv:3:5: He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rv:3:12: Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rv:3:21: To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

You can read the Preface to the book here:

http://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?id=%23%2B%20G8%0A

You can read some of this book here:

http://www.twolisteners.org/Overcomers%20Nee.htm

House churches are going to have less gifts available for God to use to minister, but in some ways may be better than local churches. I will not condemn either cause God will use both, but its arrogance to think that House Churches are the answer to church failure.

I go into the failures of the church here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/churchfail.html

U.N. plans to open new office in Baghdad

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/world/5157184.html

The news article above speaks about a new build up of the UN’s presence in Iraq. Several years ago I wrote on my website that the UN or EU will have a major presence there. Most likely after the rapture, which I believe will cause America to withdraw from Iraq, as the rapture I believe will severely disrupt the US. The corrupt powers will use the event to initiate marshal law, to usher in the plans toward globilization, the One World Order, which is the plan of satan for the anti-christ’s rule. My webpage discussing this is here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/prophecy.html

The news article shows the plan I wrote about years ago is moving to actuality.

Keep your eyes up!