May 27th, 07

Randy really tried hard to ignore the consequences of his actions. He preached today about walking by the last Adam.

He used Paul’s example of how Paul said he hurt no man. But Paul’s claim was the washing away his sins before he was an elder or even as a christian.

It comes down to this. Does Randy believe these scriptures:

1 Tim 3:2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Titus 1:
6  If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7:  For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

Now Randy started saying there is none righteous and that it is wrong for anyone to think he is a Pope, without sin or error. But if scripture is inspired and profitable for doctrine, then we cannot ignore the above verses. As I have discussed before, an elder being blameless is not about being free from sin. Being blameless is not having repeating a wrong over again. And if a wrong has been done, then there must be repentance and fruit of repentance.

Randy has divided individuals, households, and churches.

1. By his doing these on multiple occasions we see this a problem, and not just a moment of error.

2. He has not went to these people to bring about restoration.

3. He believes his errors and the church elderships errors are God ordained:

For example on Oct 8, 06 Jeff said, “be wronged, eat it, and shut up” and went on to say if they (the church and elders) were wrong it was God ordained. This clearly is a serious error and is not fruit of repentance.

These issues are about the qualifications of eldership, not the qualifications of righteousness, nor the qualifications of spiritual gifts.

Qualifications of eldership cannot be gained by simply being in Christ. If that were so then women could be elders. And even Randy doesn’t believe women can be elders. And this truth has been working on Randy and that is why as I stated on my last post Randy continues to claim his ministry is not as an elder but as a spiritual father. But he is governing a church, and that is eldership. He IS involved in church governments. For this he is disqualified.

In essence he cannot lead anyone. He can preach, teach, prophecy, heal the sick, and manifest any and all charisma’s. But he cannot lead. He cannot be an elder or bishop.

And since I am not an elder, and I cannot lead. I cannot say where or what Randy should do. There are many types of ministries he could be in, as I stated above. He could have an internet ministry like I have, or a street ministry. He could even be a guest in churches and minister there as long as he doesn’t lead or make any government decisions.

Why else would Jesus say through Paul, that a bishop needs to be blameless. Are we going to ignore that truth?

This is why church governments are positions, and are not gifts. They are not priveldges of being in Christ. This is why men set in elders and bishops. Men must make these choices based upon scriptural mandates and guidelines, not based on gifts or walking in the last Adam.

Now I will not deny, that an elder must have gifts, and be walking in Christ. But those things are not the only qualifications, or else there would be no need for blamelessness and women could be elders.

Part 2 added to the page Consequence vs Condemnation

PART 2

After rereading this and remembering some of Randy’s comments lately. It has come to me, that Randy might be trying to circumvent the whole process I discussed above by declaring he is leading as a spiritual father and not as an elder.

You can hear such clues to this in his messages. The problem is, no matter how much he tries to dismiss the church age, Jesus Himself set it up.

We are in the church age until the rapture, and even afterwards, the tribulation saints will still be in the church, albeit more along the lines of the 1st two chapters in Acts, but nonetheless there will be elders governing the church.

This is where Randy begins to cross into cultic behaviour and teachings and I discuss such leadership problems here:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/doma3.html

Church Government Part 2 - Eldership Rule and Concerning the Shepherding Movement

Randy has flirted with the Shepherding Movement for years, it began to manifest with his teaching “Kisser/Cleaver”.  As of Sept 24, 06 he still confessed to having problems controlling others, although he claimed it does not rule him. This is why he sways back and forth between fathering and bishoping. I think his conscience is slightly aware of this in his diminished repentive attitude, but being in control makes him take this very weakness and flip-flop positions when it suits him.

Finishing up on Randy’s Meetings…

It was a pretty quiet week. I think Randy even ended the meetings early, although I am not certain. I logged on Thursday or Friday and they weren’t showing anything. In fact this morning’s Sunday service wasn’t broadcasted either, they only showed the 1st nite’s meeting from earlier this week.

I watched I think 3 evening services, although I missed Wednesday’s meeting part way through, I think it was, and I didn’t see any of the day time meetings.

On Monday night Randy said the Trees in the garden were symbolic. He hasn’t quite made it over into taking all of scripture literally yet, although he has begun to in the prophecies, but not all of them yet either.

Now I agree Jesus is Life, and He may be the highest level of the Tree of Life, but we must remember God work’s in 3’s. There was a literal garden of Eden and a literal Tree of Life and a literal Tree of Knowledge. The 2nd Tree of Life is the one we will see in New Jerusalem.

We must take scripture literally. Here is some info from my page:

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/interpret.html

When dealing with scripture, 1st you must take a stand. Do you believe it to be inspired fully or not? It’s an all or nothing thing. Anything else causes the Gospel & Bible to become a nice Bed Time story.

2 Pet 1:16: For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

“About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition.” Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727 

Newton prophesied this very debate. He said there would be 2 groups of people:

1. a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation

2. the midst of much clamor and opposition

So which of these 2 groups, which do exist, do you tend to be? Remember he prophesied these 2 groups hundreds of years ago! Newton was a scientist who studied prophecy. He knew that the truth of the end times would continue to unfold the closer we got to the real deal. But this truth is not upon prophecy alone but is on ALL scripture.

Scripture must be taken literally or else it is not divinely inspired. It’s an all or nothing thing. This does not mean there are not parts that are not literal. In such cases the Bible tells us, such as this:

Mt:13:3: And he spake many things unto them in parables…
Mt:21:33: Hear another parable…
Mt:22:1: And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
Mk:3:23: And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables…
Mk:4:2: And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,
Mk:12:1: And he began to speak unto them by parables…
Lk:5:36: And he spake also a parable unto them…
Lk:6:39: And he spake a parable unto them…
Lk:8:4: … he spake by a parable:
Lk:12:16: And he spake a parable unto them, saying…
Lk:13:6: He spake also this parable…
Lk:14:7: And he put forth a parable…
Lk:15:3: And he spake this parable unto them, saying,
Lk:18:1: And he spake a parable…
Lk:19:11: … he added and spake a parable…
Lk:20:9: Then began he to speak to the people this parable…
Lk:21:29: And he spake to them a parable…
Jn:10:6: This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

Another example is the book of Revelation. According to Watchman Nee in “Aids to ‘Revelation’ “, there are about 30 symbols, and half of them are explained within it’s own text. Examples include:

Lampstands are churches 1:20
Fire, Horns, & Eyes represent the Holy Spirit 4:5 & 5:6
Incense are prayers 8:3-4
The dragon is satan 12:9
Beast is a king 17:12

and others are explained, that I have not listed here.

Dr. David L. Cooper, the founder of The Biblical Research Society, was proficient in the Biblical languages. He studied Greek under Dr. A. T. Robertson.  Dr. Cooper is known for his “Golden Rule of Interpretation” which is as follows:

When the plain sense of Scripture

        makes common sense,

        seek no other sense;

Therefore, take every word

        at its primary, ordinary, 

        usual, literal meaning

Unless the facts 

        of the immediate context,

        studied in the light 

Of related passages and

        axiomatic and fundamental truths

        indicate clearly otherwise.

[This rule was published regularly in Dr. Cooper's monthly magazine, Biblical Research Monthly.]

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If God be the originator of language and if the chief purpose of originating it was to convey His message to humanity, then it must follow that He, being all-wise and all-loving, originated sufficient language to convey all that was in His heart to tell mankind.  Furthermore, it must also follow that He would use language and expect people to understand it in its literal, normal, and plain sense.  The Scriptures, then, cannot be regarded as an illustration of some special use of language so that in the interpretation of these Scriptures some deeper meaning of the words must be sought. [Charles C. Ryrie, Dispensationalism (Chicago: Moody Press, 1995), 81.]

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The Clarifying Statement on Dispensationalism, published by the New England Bible Conference, says it this way: 

The Bible must be interpreted literally which is the way language is normally and naturally understood. We recognize that the Bible writers frequently used figurative language which is a normal and picturesque way of portraying literal truth. The Bible must be understood in the light of the normal use of language, the usage of words, the historical and cultural background, the context of the passage and the overall teaching of the Bible (2 Tim. 2:15). Most importantly, the believer must study the Bible in full dependence upon the SPIRIT OF TRUTH whose ministry is to reveal Christ and illumine the minds and hearts of believers (John 5:39; 16:13-15; 1 Cor. 2:9-16). The natural, unregenerate man cannot understand or interpret correctly the Word of God. The things of God are foolishness to him, he cannot know them (1 Cor. 2:14), and his mind is blinded (Rom. 3:11; 2 Cor. 4:3-4).

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On Tuesday nite Randy said we musn’t remain a sinner saved by grace. I understand what he was preaching and kind of agree, however, he has failed to realize and has taught otherwise that we will not put off the sin nature until we are out of this body or get a new one.

http://www.kingdom-gospel.com/error.html

Randy teaches (or used to) that the born again christian is without sin. He teaches that it is the soul that sins, but the believer is now sin free in his spirit and Randy calls this the divine nature.

This Divine Nature teaching has caused a ruckus by many, thinking Randy teaches that humans become gods. That is NOT what he teaches at all, but that sin nature leaves and God Himself dwells in the human spirit. The Divine Nature is God Himself.

Nee will not doubt, and neither do I, that believers are indeed the temple of God, but we still have sin in our person. Nee proves this point by using one of Randy’s own teachings against this. 

Randy has another teaching called “The Fruit of it’s Kind”. Nee say’s if 2 born again christians got married and had a baby, that if they truly were without sin, their baby would be born sinless. It would be a fruit of its kind. This of coarse does not happen. Because, the parents are not without sin.

Those of you familiar with the Randy camp should know mankind is born into sin, even within christian marriages, thus Randy should realize through his own teaching he has an error here (or did). Experience itself should teach us this.

Watchman Nee proves this further with scripture:

Rom 6:
6: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

The word destroyed gives the wrong impression, it actually means “unemployed” according to Nee, in Greek.

For a 2nd witness there is this:

 The New Testament Greek Lexicon

1) to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative

  a) to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency

  b) to deprive of force, influence, power

2) to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish

  a) to cease, to pass away, be done away

  b) to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one

  c) to terminate all intercourse with one
 

The work of the cross, unemploys sin. It is still there, it has been made without working power. But it is still there for you to choose, and choose daily if you so desire. I suggest reading the rest of Rom 6.

Nee died in like 1967 or so, long before Randy ever came to ministry, Nee through his teachings, shows the error that Randy took up in this area.

Bees, Tornadoes, and Super Novas

 Something big is up.

Huge disastrous tornadoes!

http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/7373316.html

“The whole community is gone. The infrastructure of every bank, every business, everybody’s home is just gone,” said Kathleen Sebelius, Kansas governor.

The king of super nova’s!

http://www.physorg.com/news97768878.html

The brightest stellar explosion ever recorded may be a long-sought new type of supernova…It is unprecedented, however, to find such a massive star and witness its death in the local Universe. The discovery of the supernova, known as SN 2006gy, provides evidence that the death of such massive stars is fundamentally different from theoretical predictions.

“Of all exploding stars ever observed, this was the king,”

Missing bees!

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/03/03/State/Scientists_ask__Where.shtml

Scientists ask: Where are all the bees?

..The crisis, marked by bees mysteriously vanishing from their hives, has been identified in 24 states in every part of the country,…

The bee or hornet was used in driving out the enemies in the promise land:

Joshua 24:
12: And I sent the hornet before you, which drave them out from before you, even the two kings of the Amorites; but not with thy sword, nor with thy bow.

And Jesus warned of signs in the stars and heavens of the last days:

Lk:21:25: And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

And a whirlwind was the sign of the rapture:

2Kgs:2:1: And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

But also is a sign of judgment:

Ps:58:9: Before your pots can feel the thorns, he shall take them away as with a whirlwind, both living, and in his wrath.

note this verse with the above:

6: Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.

See the young lions in this verse reminded me of this verse:

Ezek 38:13: Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil?  hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey?  to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

This is the 2nd war with Israel, and the young lions may be represent the colonies of Britain. America may allow this attack upon Israel because she has begun to fall.

Knowing this, then going back to read Psalm 58 we see much more:

1: Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation?  do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?
2: Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.
3: The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
4: Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
5: Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.
6: Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.
7: Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.
8: As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.
9: Before your pots can feel the thorns, he shall take them away as with a whirlwind, both living, and in his wrath.
10: The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.
11: So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.

There is going to be a crossing over into the promise land soon by some, a sign of the bees, and the rest will be judged and wiped out, whirlwind and the destruction of a great star.

It’s time to be looking up!