Nov 29th Service

As predicted last week, I have no clips of today’s service. Not much happened, but will go over some of the things that happened. Jeff Arrington returned from his trip to Cincinnati. That trip may have passed me without me knowing about it, though I am not sure, I may remember Randy saying something about it almost 2 months ago, not sure. Interestingly enough, as I continue to monitor the internet about Randy Shankle, I look at those websites in Cincinnati where he ministers at. In particular Ron Mosby and Kevin Aldridge have a radio show in Cincinnati.  Ron has been to CiM, and Randy has a connection with him. I won’t give out the links here, I don’t want to give Google and the other search engines links to them to give them any higher placement. But I wouldn’t do so either because there may be some internet phishing on their sites. What is phishing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing 

…phishing is the criminally fraudulent process of attempting to acquire sensitive information such as usernames, passwords and credit card details by masquerading as a trustworthy entity in an electronic communication…

I don’t know what Ron Mosby is up to, but when you go to their radio webpage I get a different page that states:

WARNING!

The web page you tried to visit might have been trying to steal your personal information. That page was removed after being identified as a “phishing” web page.

Ron’s blog has been not updated in over a year as well. They just don’t seem to have any quality to their work at all. Another case was they advertised a radio program with Randy and Jeff on it, and they were not on the program at all, they just talked about their visit. So I don’t know if they are trying to scam people, or their shoddy website was taken over by hackers. I just wanna warn people to stay away from any of Ron Mosby’s internet pages for their personal and financial safety, unless some information is stolen.

Jeff gave an interesting story in the service today. One I never heard before. He mentioned he was at a service years ago with Benny Hinn and some other teacher. He stated that the teacher was strong in the Word, but weak in spirit, and Benny was the opposite, though he may have had the wrong spirit. Then he stated Randy was an example of both. It sounded like Randy was ministering at that meeting, but I can’t be too sure, because Jeff wasn’t clear. But that would be the 1st I heard of Randy ministering with Benny Hinn. If true, that would put the only 2 men I have claimed as false prophets together at the same place.

Also one thing of significance did happen at the service today. CiM had communion! That’s right, they actually celebrated with bread and grape juice. I think in the 4 years I was there they may have done it once. And I am not even sure about that. Anyways, Jeff continued to minister from last week (though he wasn’t there last week) about the building of the body, and thus he took it a step further and discussed the body of Christ and thus the bread for communion. He also was in faith for Donna Bade’s healing and others.  Once again it was spoken that another couple is moving to the church, and he said more would follow. He prophesied healing, financial success, and more people to CiM.

2 Services following Kirk Cameron and today’s service

Sorry this has taken so long.  I may be cutting back on making audio clips. It takes a lot of work, and am just not motivated for it again. I am trying to reach those in CiM, and they don’t need clips so much, as they are there. So I may do more commentary and less clips again. I will still have clips which are important however.

This work combined with the prayers and work of others has had a significant effect. At today’s service, they rejoiced because a couple is moving to the church. In my day, they wouldn’t have made a hoopla of it. But because the word is out on the abusive nature of Randy’s administration, folks don’t move there any more, and folks are moving away. They also spent the service discussing the build up of the church (body of Christ), in hopes of having more become “joined bone to his bone”.

Yet there was complaints in the service about problems in the last month or so and other things. Doesn’t make sense, especially in light of the clips I have to share, if what they said was so true after the Kirk Cameron meetings.

For example in this 1st clip, it is said that the city now recognizes that CiM is of God, from the Kirk Cameron meetings. Listen here:

Once again, the clips I am sharing on this post are from the 2 services following the Kirk Cameron meetings. The 1st is from Randy, before he left for South Africa, and then the following week others speak about the meetings.

The next clip is similar, it’s of Jeff Arrington saying that CiM is now popular and accepted. And making the claim they are now mature and can represent God as Christ did when He was mature. Listen here:

So if they are popular and are accepted why the complaints the last 2 weeks? (these clips now being 3-4 weeks old) Why the big deal about having someone finally moving to CiM? Because things are not so good there. They may have had some limited success with the Kirk Cameron meetings, but even the anti-christ will have some success for a few years when he rules the world. Randy is a master manipulator, and they have a really good system at CiM with motivated people who can crank out some high quality services. I still maintain if Randy were to step out of the picture, CiM could be an awesome church. Although Jeff, Ray, and the rest of the administration would need to repent of Randy’s ways. I think it could be done, but except for the problem of Randy himself. A few people would also be some serious problem, including I believe Arlene Arrington. Bruce said she was Randy’s spy in the office for many years. And I think she motivated Jeff into being a “yes man” of Randy. Ray Bade is a problem for many people. Many have been hurt by Ray. I have spent holidays at their home. They had invited me to their house on a couple of occasions. Ray is a nice guy, but have believed for years that because of hs age, and all the junk he has gone through, he didn’t have the energy or will power to stand up to Randy. I believe he also looks at Randy’s administration as his hope for his senior years for financial care. If he were to upset the boat, then he would lose that. Ray was abused by the Babylon system, and was milked of his talents for many years. He doesn’t wanna go back. He needs to put his trust in God, not in Randy or the system, then he would be free of Randy’s reign. I feel for Ray, I hate the system, and joined the military a 2nd time putting my hope and trust there instead of God. I like Ray, I know he has been an instrument of destruction in Randy’s hand and many are bitter at him. Thus while Ray will have to answer to God for this, he is just a tool in Randy’s administration. Which brings me to my next set of clips.

Here again, Randy discusses that those who are offended are wrong 100% of the time. Now I already have had clips on Randy talking along these lines, and have shown that Randy pushes people to be offended. Thus when they become offended he can be the guy in the right, because he claims they are in sin. Anyways, here in this clip he states that being offended is wrong every time. Listen:

Randy doesn’t want folks accusing him. He thinks that he shouldn’t be judged for his mistakes. Yet he still offers the left hand of resistance to those he thinks is wrong. But is God going to judge folks for their actions?

Rev 20:12: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

While we won’t be sent to hell or heaven for works, there is judgment based on works and on our actions. Randy is just a master manipulator, trying to silence those who uncover him, or get others to not listen to them.

Interestingly enough, in the very same service, Randy talks about how God is offended at people. So how is it that when people are offended they are in sin, but it’s okay for God to be offended? We just heard about how he said being angry is also a sin. How about when Jesus was offended at the sellers in the temple and was angry? Are we not to allow God’s attributes in us? Can we not be offended that Randy is abusing the sheep, the temple of God? Anyways, here is Randy saying that God gets offended:

So Randy’s theology is wrong. But to be honest, it’s really become a matter for him of doctrines of convenience and manipulation. This is why Bruce stated:

RS once shared some very personal information with me – about his divorce with Rama. (He and I were very close for approx 10 years) What he shared was ultimately the thing he used to justify their split. He basically drove her away from the Lord through legalism, then condemned her for it. He still uses the same techniques today on people. He will prophesy their destruction, then help fulfill it. He will pressure them until they crack – then say “I told you so”.

This is what Randy’s administration did when I emailed Kirk Cameron. They were slick manipulators to get Kirk to ignore my warnings, as Arlene discussed before the meetings about their letter of response to my email. And in this next clip Randy states Kirk had questions when they finally met:

There was enough concern that it affected the visit, even though they had persuaded him to come. In the next 2 clips we can hear how Kirk said they were flaky.

and the next one:

You see one of the problems at CiM is the need to give God the credit and blame for everything. This starts with Randy, and works its way down. Randy will say that God said something and will act on it. Then if it turns out bad he can blame God. This works its way down into CiM where everyone says God says this and God says that. This was in CiM when I was there. We must remember we are people of faith, not people of certainty. Scripture states:

Isa 28:10: For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

1 Cor 13:12: For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

1 Cor 2: LITV
2 For I decided not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ, and Him having been crucified.

Nothing is certain, everything is in faith. We need to be slow to say, “God said…”. This is why Kirk thought CiM was flaky. And he is right. Don’t get me wrong, I believe in prophecy. But we don’t need a prophecy to marry folks in a church. This why there was no fruit when Guy ministered to Kirk, it wasn’t a “thus saith the Lord”. God may have moved Guy and his wife, but they had been activated in Randy’s priesthood and had to perform. So they went from being in the Spirit to being in the soul.

These issues and problems fall on Randy, he brings this to the church. He has stated, as shared here, that they have entered into the perfect administration. This is why they are promoting their certainty and action of the “priesthood”. And this was another thing that was stated that came forth in the Kirk Cameron meetings. The unveiling of the hiuos (spelled right?). Listen here:

This is a serious problem of CiM.

Rom:12:3: For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Randy acts like a pope, and thinks he is infallible, and then tries to get everyone to follow him, and make them perfect sons. And this is why judgment has hit CiM. I believe Ray’s wife Donna now has some serious illness. It is just not safe to be in CiM. And I hope Ray will stand up for God, preserve his family and leave. And I hope others will leave CiM too. Or if they can get rid of Randy, better yet.

But Randy is preparing other places if things fall apart completely at Marshall. And thus he has gone to South Africa again. He’s been gone about 3 weeks now or so (maybe 4?) And will be gone till the end of December I think. Here is a clip of Randy discussing why he is going alone:

Bruce’s website/blog and CiM service updates

I am falling behind. I had a minor virus last week, and been busy with other stuff. Last Sunday’s CiM service was of minor consequence. Ray Bade made one comment quoting from Psalms I believe, wondering about those who speak against them…hmm I wonder what they are concerned about especially since they been bragging about how popular they are with the city of Marshall now, but I haven’t posted those clips yet either, they are from the service(s) after the Kirk Cameron meetings. I am about half way through those and hopefully will have them posted soon.

Also Bruce Delay has moved his blog to his former radio show’s website to here:

http://kfaq.typepad.com/brucedelay/

This is why his website went down, though he waited a long time to get it up, and then it was down after a short time. I don’t know what the problem is. I know some folks pay through the nose for websites, when they don’t have to. I don’t, but I also know a bit how to make blogs and sites and Bruce does not. Perhaps he moved his blog to the radio station to save money, but he didn’t give any notice either. Just guessing here.

This is not to say I promote his current ministry, cause I don’t, I don’t think there is any hope left in American politics, he is trying to beat a dead horse. Tho he states up and down he isn’t involved in politics. If that isn’t politics, I don’t know what is. But he is a great man of God, and has helped many from CiM, and make his information available because of these things.

So when I get caught up, I will update my page on him on my blog as well. Please note one of his email addresses no longer works, this occurred when he lost his website as well. This is already updated on my blog.

 

Oct 18th service

I believe this service is 3 Sundays ago, and was after the October meetings. Oct 18th I think. I haven’t gotten to editing clips till now. This service uncovers a lot. All but 2 clips found on this post are new.

The 1st clip I actually had ready awhile ago, well kind of. The original clip is over 3 minutes long, but I needed to shorten it to publish it here. It’s now less than half the length. If anyone wants a copy of the original one, contact me, and I will email it to you.

The clip is about Randy’s step son Daniel. Now I have had a few clips and posts that discussed that Randy has had a problem with one of his kids. I didn’t name names, because it was never specifically stated from the platform, but by observation one could guess, because he named those he was still talking to and were in the church still. Anyways, Daniel left home and church to get married. He was forced to do this because they wouldn’t endorse it, the same that happened to me, but I didn’t get married, I lost the girl and moved away instead. This clip is Randy discussing Daniel talking to him afterwards. Now Randy is a one slick character, and I doubt the details of how the meeting took place. He states Daniel could have gotten married and retained home and church. Not sure about how that would have taken place. Perhaps 10 years later and Daniel becoming a “yes” man? They control weddings to get folks to submit. And as stated before, I believe folks should marry young. Shouldn’t a man enjoy the youth of his wife before she loses it? Is not a woman’s beauty for her husband, and not for the world nor for herself? Wasn’t this once even taught at CiM years ago? I mean it’s a reflection of Christ and the church. Is the church’s beauty for Christ and not herself? There is no New Testament doctrine to make folks wait to get married. If a woman waits to get married, then her beauty is no longer for her husband but for herself or others. And they can’t say it’s to make the marriage better either. Because in another recent service Randy was talking to 3 older single women who told him that no matter how right a man and woman are, they still have souls and will still have confrontations.

It’s just a power play by the administration to control people, by controlling weddings. Anyways here’s the clip:

In this next clip, Randy is discussing a conversation with his other son Jared. He talks about what his son brought to him about Randy’s own faults. Randy admits in this clip having less grace for those who aren’t spiritual. Yet doesn’t scripture say Jesus was a friend to sinners? Anyways, here is the clip:

So is Randy following Jesus in this?

Mt:11:19: The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

No, Randy does the opposite, he gives the left hand of resistance and promotes offence to those he deems as immature and carnal. In fact Randy practically admits such in the next clip:

Now as shown from Bruce Delay, Randy will purposefully offend folks. Here is the quote once again:

RS once shared some very personal information with me – about his divorce with Rama. (He and I were very close for approx 10 years) What he shared was ultimately the thing he used to justify their split. He basically drove her away from the Lord through legalism, then condemned her for it. He still uses the same techniques today on people. He will prophesy their destruction, then help fulfill it. He will pressure them until they crack – then say “I told you so”.

Years ago while I was there, I was told that they would slay a bunch a people with the sword to get the guilty person, and raise up the innocent later. This was the prophetic method of the administration. I have an older clip where Jeff discusses using this spiritual sword against those that oppose them:

They think it’s better to offend and knock someone down to get the guilty person, rather than attempt to find the truth and help with care and patience. This is why Randy’s administration stated Oct 8, 06, “be wronged, eat it, and shut up” and went on to say if they (the church and elders) were wrong it was God ordained.

This next clip shows how he thinks that how he handled someone was correct, even though they believed otherwise. Here is the clip:

They think anyone who gets offended is immature. And that is, if they are really following God, they can just forgive their “charging bull in a china shop” attitude they have. In fact in this next clip you can hear Randy state just this stance:

Randy so promotes the weakness of those who are offended more than the crime of the offender. Is it true that we are immature if we get offended? Sure it is. But is it true its gonna be punished by God and is a severe crime or sin? No. In fact a study of this shows the greater crime is the one who offends:

Matthew 18:7, “Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!”

Mt:13:41: The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mt:17:27: Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

That verse shows how Jesus went out of His way to not offend someone, even though He didn’t even have to!

Mt:18:6: But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Mk:9:42: And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

Lk:17:2: It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

1Cor:8:13: Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Jms:3:2: For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

Psalm 119: 165, “Great peaces have they which love your law; and nothing shall offend them.”

1 Corinthians 13:5, “Love … does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered.”

Now you see there are plenty of scriptures that warn of offending others, but only found 2 that stated being offended is immature. So which is worse? Which one has an actual punishment?

Randy is gonna pay the piper one day. Whether those he offends forgives him or not. His whole attitude is reverse of Christ Jesus. Jesus loves the weak and carnal, and wants to build them up, not offend them.

Now there is indeed an element of Jesus the Rock of offense. But not an offense to sin. It’s an offense to reject Him, because the world believes and promotes dead works. Those who are offended at Christ reject Him as the only one True path to God. Not because He slayed them with a sword because they were immature.

Now all these clips are from the Sunday Oct 18th service except the one with Jeff and the sword and one more further down. So this service really uncovered the administrations stance on offence. And we can see it is unBiblical and unChrist like. This all is fruit from Randy’s disqualification as a bishop. They are turning his failures into doctrines, believing that his adminstration holds the same authority as God’s word. Listen to him state this again from an older clip:

If you listen carefully to the clip, Randy states, “…we’ve moved into the essence of God. To the nature of God behind His own word.”

That’s the same authority as God’s word! Just as in the Roman Catholic church, they believe that certain church traditions are equal to the Bible. Rome actually believes that some traditions are God’s word. And this is the same type of sin Randy and his administration are involved in. They think that their administration and rule is equal to the Bible. Rome also has the infallibility of the pope. This is why Randy lusts after total submission.

They don’t want these truths exposed like this. They ignore it, don’t even address it. This is why Randy stated recently he won’t address these internet discussions. He doesn’t want folks knowing the truth. This is why they spent thousands of dollars getting hardware and software to stop me from recording their services. They can’t plug the source. Randy and Jeff, and other “yes men” of Randy, are gonna spew out Randy’s sins as doctrine. It can’t be stopped at the source. So the best method is to ignore the uncovering and try to stop the uncovering. They completely ignore the bishop qualifications. They ignore the fact that offending is greater than being offended. The things I discuss here! And they don’t want the people at CiM to know this.  That’s why they shut down the man who in CiM was contacting me to defend them. They don’t want folks in CiM reading this. Even Linda has left CiM, I have heard. I have clips on this blog of her prophesying to Randy’s intent. She wised up and left. I hope she is well. I am sure it is more well for those who leave than those who stay, since death and disaster abounds in CiM.

Randy is so focused on promoting his stance, he misrepresents even worldly facts. I recently stated the case of Randy using male impotency to build his case. Here is a clip from the Oct 18th service on that:

His stats are way off. I seen similar stats that Randy used on men who have diabetes, I don’t have that page here, but here are the stats of normal men:

http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byissue/impotency.html

	Level of Impotence (%)
Age	Complete	Moderate	Minimal	None
40	5	17	17	61
45	7	21	17	56
50	8	23	17	52
55	10	26	17	47
60	12	28	18	43
65	13	32	18	37
70	15	34	18	33

The point I am making here is Randy is about defending his stance and belief, rather than doing what God and the Bible states. He excuses his actions and behaviour with whatever he can find, and ignores those things that say otherwise. In this next clip, Randy has one more strategy to dismiss the Biblical qualifications of eldership. He talks about expectations. Listen to the clip here:

You see, he places himself, and the expectations of him as equal to those of all christians. But this is not the case with elders and bishops, or else God would not have qualifications. But Randy is a hypocrite here. If folks fail to meet his standards, he judges them and gives them the left hand of resistance. He will even publicly discuss their case in front of the whole church. Oh but he will say he forgives them personally, and the correction is for their benefit! So why isn’t the reverse true here? Why is it folks say I am bitter and unforgiving when I discuss Randy’s error but Randy isn’t when he discusses others? And how about when I state I forgive him and it isn’t personal and he states he forgives others and it isn’t personal. You see teh double standard? I am merely showing Randy’s disqualification as a bishop. Randy is a hypocrite. He will take out the rod and judge when he sees fit, and will do so harshly and even offensively, expecting them to be mature and take it and forgive him if he lops off their head.  But if anyone corrects Randy, then they are out of line. You can’t pick and choose when to follow scripture, not as an elder or bishop. Sure you wanna do that as a christian, or a Melchizedek priest? Go ahead, but get off the platform and stop taking a salary. Stop directing the church. Your no qualified helmsmen.

One last clip. This is a follow-up on the ship helm they had on the platform earlier this summer, where I was discussing what I believe they were doing with that. Here Randy mentions the Helmsmen, and what it was all about:

So I was correct, it was the direction of the church as a group. And earlier this year I had stated that Randy was unfit to direct the church, to steer its course, because he is a false prophet. The helmsmen services were simply a tool to counteract that Randy is disqualified to do such.

Over half of what he does these days is just that, to cover and gloss over the Bible accountability he has. And to make everyone forgive him and forget his sins. That we should do, but once again, forgiving Randy does not make him qualified as an elder.